[Pamela]

Pam has an Apricot (yellow) dog with a liver nose and a Brown dog with a liver nose. If you stood her "red" dog next to a "red" with the same coat color but a black nose then it would mean she has an Apricot coated dog as yellow can be expressed with black AND liver pigment.

I do not see why y'all do not understand that there are NO red Poodles, you have dark colored Apricots who do not fade or you have dark sables who do eventually fade.

I do not know everything about poodle colors but I have read everything I can find on the subject.

ok so Teddy is brown not silver beige? and ginger is apricot or yellow? too confusing to me lol

 

[ChickyChat]

The puppies Paris is having will be deep red and should all be non diluting. I'm going to have them all tested for the dilute gene.
I wonder if that poo is related to Trigger?

 

[roxy25]

The puppies Paris is having will be deep red and should all be non diluting. I'm going to have them all tested for the dilute gene.
I wonder if that poo is related to Trigger?

Have you tested Paris and is Trigger tested ? If so no need to test puppies not unless Paris is Dd and trigger is Dd . If they are then you have to test all the pups because some will fade. If Paris is DD and so is trigger all pups should be DD.

 

[ChickyChat]

Paris is dd and trigger is probably DD so I'm testing them to be sure.

 

[roxy25]

Paris is dd and trigger is probably DD so I'm testing them to be sure.

Well all pups will be Dd …… they should not fade.
When you breed the pups just breed them to DD dog , you should be good. If I knew what Enzo's parents genes where I would probably not test him but I don't so I have to test them.

Simple genetics are a sure thing lol

 

[ChickyChat]

Trigger hasnt been tested, so we are assuming DD, he might be Dd but doubtful
Tis why im testing

 

[roxy25]

Trigger hasnt been tested, so we are assuming DD, he might be Dd but doubtful
Tis why im testing

O!!!! Why didn't the breeder test Trigger ?
Well he might be Dd since he has terry's dogs in his pedigree. I have a question for you then. Why do you keep posting the pups will be deep red and not fade ? Trigger is not tested so how do you know the pups will be deep red and not fade ?

 

[ChickyChat]

Because Lori says Trigger is DD , I just always assume nothing until im totally convinced.
anyway, does that really matter to you?

 

[roxy25]

Because Lori says Trigger is DD , I just always assume nothing until im totally convinced.
anyway, does that really matter to you?

I only asked because I was interested in your puppies but you are not even sure how the puppies will come out and you just keep posting this info as fact ( in almost every post ). I would not be posting such info not unless I knew for sure it’s kind of dishonest to buyers looking for reds that don’t fade. I know you said Triggers breeder said he is DD but how does she know? So in reality he could be Dd and the pups could fade or not be deep red.

 

[ChickyChat]

That's why im having them tested. They will all be Dd I truely believe.

That pretty red dog in the first picture, his name is Hogan. This dog is out of Sheldon (owned by Carolyn Carroll) and Susan's Rose. She is planning on breeding one of her red pups to him in the future.

 

[SECRETO]

WOW CHICKY CHAT.....LOL op2:

If Im wrong please correct me but probably the reason Lori at Harmony believe's Trigger is DD is because he was much lighter as a puppy, got very dark as he matured and maintained his color. Also, would Lori consider just having Trigger tested instead of you individually testing the puppies? Maybe she'll split the cost if you recommend it....who knows. Im sure you have already thought about that rather then having all the puppies tested. Either way will work but I was just curious.:smile:

 

[roxy25]

WOW CHICKY CHAT.....LOL op2:

If Im wrong please correct me but probably the reason Lori at Harmony believe's Trigger is DD is because he was much lighter as a puppy, got very dark as he matured and maintained his color. Also, would Lori consider just having Trigger tested instead of you individually testing the puppies? Maybe she'll split the cost if you recommend it....who knows. Im sure you have already though about that rather then having all the puppies tested. Either way will work but I was just curious.:smile:

Yes this is why I asked it Trigger was tested ... It would make more sense to have her test trigger than for Chicky to test all of the pups ... that test is expensive. $78 bucks for each puppy ..... I am sure she will go half with you to have Trigger tested.

 

[spoofan]

Here is some interesting info on the reds:
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Deep and rich, a clear red very distinctly different from apricot. Some pups
who start off as Red can fade into a dark apricot or even in some instances
a light apricot with dark shading around the eyes and nose. Usually those
who fade so dramatically have ancestors who were silver or blue.

Although the Red color has existed in the Miniature and Toy Poodle for
quite some time, the Red color is very new to the Standard Poodle.

Red was introduced into the Standard Poodle by a breeder in Oregon,
Palmares Kennels, and Shangri- La in New York.

These two breeders bred a small english apricot Standard female with an
over-sized red Miniature The first litter had 4 red babies. The color was a
perfect red but the problem came later on. The heads were Standard
Poodles, the legs short like Miniature Poodles.

It took many years of selective breeding to get the correct proportions, size
and temperament of the Standard Poodle.

When looking for a RED Standard Poodle it is imperative to ask for the
pedigree of the parents to see that the dogs go back to either Palmares or
Shangri-La. If NEITHER kennel name is in the pedigree then it is likely NOT
a red but an apricot.

Due to the increased popularity in the REDS many back-yard breeders are
selling Apricot pups as REDS.

 

[ChickyChat]

Thanks Spoofan That was very interesting.
I looked and Paris didn't have any of those two kennels in her pedigree that I have. But Trigger has both Shangri-la and palmares

 

[Pamela]

Here is some interesting info on the reds:
--------------------------------------------
Deep and rich, a clear red very distinctly different from apricot. Some pups
who start off as Red can fade into a dark apricot or even in some instances
a light apricot with dark shading around the eyes and nose. Usually those
who fade so dramatically have ancestors who were silver or blue.

Although the Red color has existed in the Miniature and Toy Poodle for
quite some time, the Red color is very new to the Standard Poodle.

Red was introduced into the Standard Poodle by a breeder in Oregon,
Palmares Kennels, and Shangri- La in New York.

These two breeders bred a small english apricot Standard female with an
over-sized red Miniature The first litter had 4 red babies. The color was a
perfect red but the problem came later on. The heads were Standard
Poodles, the legs short like Miniature Poodles.

It took many years of selective breeding to get the correct proportions, size
and temperament of the Standard Poodle.

When looking for a RED Standard Poodle it is imperative to ask for the
pedigree of the parents to see that the dogs go back to either Palmares or
Shangri-La. If NEITHER kennel name is in the pedigree then it is likely NOT
a red but an apricot.

Due to the increased popularity in the REDS many back-yard breeders are
selling Apricot pups as REDS.

Ginger has Shangri-La in her pedigree from her father Crackerjack of Leatherstocking Kennel - I almost bought from Ilse at SL but ner dogs were very big!

 

[Pamela]

To continue about Shangrila - that was my introduction to standard poodles. Ilse brought out two dogs for me to see and I thought - my goodness they are like little ponies the way they prance - I was amazed! But her red boy Patrick was almost as big as me and I thought that all spoos would be like that. I accidentally came across the smaller standard and found my way to Leatherstocking. Now that I have had two spoos I think I could have handled a dog like Patrick. Such personality - I just love spoos! adly Ilse passed away right after that - very sad - she was so alone but for her beloved dogs. I wish I had known her beetter. She was actaully feeling very ill the day I went to see the dogs. too ill to show the puppies or maybe I owuld have gotten one from her. She was just able to come out on the porch with two of her dogs and they were loose but obedient. Patrick was the same color red as Ginger. Ginger's mother was also red but I don't remember if she had black or liver points. Crackerjack had black. interesting coincidence because I just found out from Poodle Planet that Crackerjack has Shangrila in his line.

 

[roxy25]

All True Red standard poodles will have Shangri-la and palmares in their pedigree. Enzo has the same lines as well.I can't wait to talk to this other breeder Susan told me will be having a red litter in a few months she has a website but she does not update it and its not that good lol http://www.mithrilstandardpoodles.com/

 

[ChickyChat]

Trigger is now being tested for the dilute gene!

 

[Barney's Mom]

My opinion is that you won't find more conscientious, honest, ethical standard poodle breeders anywhere than Susan Cook http://marquisdiamondstandardpoodles.com and Lori Horst http://harmonyhuntingpudels.com. They are not only knowledgeable and incredibly helpful, they are lovely people with a deep and abiding affection for their dogs, and I was lucky to have found them. I was looking for red, Susan had just sold her last one, and she directed me to Lori. Both of our poodles came from HM. Our light-apricot Barney's sire is Susan's Am/GR CH Antigua Don't Look Back, "Val." Lt-red/apricot Sacha's mama is HM's Dazzling Daisy and her sire is the adorable Trigger. Sacha looks exactly like Trigger, color and all. From what the late Ilse Konig wrote on her site, red standards have yet to attain the larger size of other more standard colors. Has anyone found an actual red standard that is taller than 24"?

 

[ChickyChat]

oh how great !! TRIGGER!!! Isn't he wonderful!! I'm so glad you know lori and susan! Now I feel like we are related!