ok so Teddy is brown not silver beige? and ginger is apricot or yellow? too confusing to me lolPam has an Apricot (yellow) dog with a liver nose and a Brown dog with a liver nose. If you stood her "red" dog next to a "red" with the same coat color but a black nose then it would mean she has an Apricot coated dog as yellow can be expressed with black AND liver pigment.
I do not see why y'all do not understand that there are NO red Poodles, you have dark colored Apricots who do not fade or you have dark sables who do eventually fade.
I do not know everything about poodle colors but I have read everything I can find on the subject.