[SECRETO]

Oh Roxy,

I most definatly agree about you looking for the color you like and then go from there. We all look for the color we would prefer from a breeder. Ecspecially with Poodle's you never know what will pop out.

Its kind of like Amstaffs....my husband and I prefer red and white dogs but if a fawn and white pup is the best dog in that litter then we seriously would consider it. Thats all Im getting at. lol

Oh, and Im not in the market for an Amstaff in case it came out like that. I still love the breed and there are some beautiful dogs that I would take a pup from but I just can't justify breeding Amstaffs. The way the breed population is at this point is just aweful. I really don't see it improving in the future which is very sad. Poor bully's!

 

[roxy25]

You and I certainly have difference of what a nice dog when it comes to Amsttaffs.

??? I did not say a american bully is an amstaff nor did I say their dogs are nice .... please re read what I said. I said that they have better flashy websites but their dogs are horrible .... their websites are ghetto but the website is better made than some of these breeders using free website designs

American bullys does not = amstaffs ? If you think so :banghead:

I don't think your being stuck up , I just don't think you are getting what I am saying ...... you can have a fancy website with good info and still have crappy dogs. for you to base a breeder on his or her website is IMO retarded lol seriously I have met many breeders who I would consider getting a dog from and they do not have a website or have a crappy one.

There is a top breeder in my area and her website has nothing really on it ? Her dog was in the top 25 poodles in 2006 and she is a nice informed person about the breed........ Her webiste would not stop me from getting a dog from her.

 

[roxy25]

Oh Roxy,

I most definatly agree about you looking for the color you like and then go from there. We all look for the color we would prefer from a breeder. Ecspecially with Poodle's you never know what will pop out.

Its kind of like Amstaffs....my husband and I prefer red and white dogs but if a fawn and white pup is the best dog in that litter then we seriously would consider it. Thats all Im getting at. lol

Oh, and Im not in the market for an Amstaff in case it came out like that. I still love the breed and there are some beautiful dogs that I would take a pup from but I just can't justify breeding Amstaffs. The way the breed population is at this point is just aweful. I really don't see it improving in the future which is very sad. Poor bully's!

I agree when i was looking into getting a APBT I wanted a black one simply because you don't see all black apbt too often. I based my choice on bloodlines , temperment , health etc... When I get into my own house I will get me a boudreaux dog or a dog off gambler's virgil bloodline. I found other dogs that where not black that I would take in a heart beat. I found a breeder who had red nose dogs and they seemed to fit what i was looking for.

Yeah poor amstaffs I don't think anyone will get back on track with this breed.

 

[SECRETO]

??? I did not say a american bully is an amstaff nor did I say their dogs are nice .... please re read what I said. I said that they have better flashy websites but their dogs are horrible .... their websites are ghetto but the website is better made than some of these breeders using free website designs

American bullys does not = amstaffs ? If you think so :banghead:

I don't think your being stuck up , I just don't think you are getting what I am saying ...... you can have a fancy website with good info and still have crappy dogs. for you to base a breeder on his or her website is IMO retarded lol seriously I have met many breeders who I would consider getting a dog from and they do not have a website or have a crappy one.

There is a top breeder in my area and her website has nothing really on it ? Her dog was in the top 25 poodles in 2006 and she is a nice informed person about the breed........ Her webiste would not stop me from getting a dog from her.

LOL ..... Im not refering the American bully comment. You said on a message to me that you couldn't find a nice Amstaff and you prefer the ADBA registered type APBT's. An American bully would "IMO" mean ANY american bully breed.

I realize we have difference of opinion on what is acceptable in our eyes when deciding on purchasing a dog. I still stick behind what I said about the what you can tell off a website. I know there are some situations where there is an exception. However, for the most part you can tell a great deal just from the advertisement through a site.

You seriously can't tell me that you haven't pulled up certain websites and said to yourself what a bad site! Come on now Roxy. lol

 

[SECRETO]

Roxy said;
I have met many breeders who I would consider getting a dog from and they do not have a website or have a crappy one.

When I get into my own house I will get me a boudreaux dog or a dog off gambler's virgil bloodline.

Me again lol;
Ok I see where the difference is coming up here. What I consider a nice bred Amstaff/APBT is and what one is in your opinion are two HUGE differences. That's totally fine but we will have to agree to disagree. lol

 

[ChickyChat]

Have you ever tried to find someone to do a good website for you without hiring a professional??? It's nearly impossible. I have tried and tried and everyone says they will do one for you, but they NEVER end up doing one, or helping. I eventually had to learn myself and I'm still not good at it. I'm trying though.

http://www.luckypoodle.com

If you do hire a professional to do it , plan on paying thousands of dollars.
You really can't judge someones quality of dogs on their website. I've seen dogs with many championships at shows whose owners beg me to make them a website... HA... I'm struggling enough on my own.

 

[Purple Poodle]

Regarding the website comments: Websites are not hard to make look good regardless of how much you know. Nor does it have to cost a fourtune.

I use a template based free web host and I have to say my site looks good Plouf Parti Poodles I know very little about HTML or CSS of what have you.

I hate seeing a breeders website look shitty, to me that means they don't care what people think or see when they long on *shrug* Its kind of like going to a breeders house and the place is a mess and they can;t show you anything because they don't know where its at.

Anyway....

 

[SECRETO]

Like I said before.....When I say nice website's Im meaning tastful and informative with nice dogs. Not meaning ghetto and neat with piles. I have seen websites that seem nice but you can tell right off the back they have crappy dogs if you know the standard of the breed well enough.

Chickychat,

Your website for instance doesn't look like bad at all. Its clean looking, not distracting and you have decent pics of your dogs. I don't mean decent in a bad way, but your pics aren't stacked pics. Well Trigger is semi stacked. If I was in the market for pet a (not knowing you at all) from your site I would think that your just beginning in breeding Poodles. You definitely know your health testing and seem like a reputable person to purchase a pet from. By the way Im only saying pet because neither Paris or Trigger have any show experience. If I were looking for a serious show potential I would go to a site that show's me they have a fair amount of experience breeding show dogs.

Then like you said.......you know people with Ch dogs that are begging you to do a website. Ok, so they don't have site yet. I never mentioned that people with out a site have bad dogs. Also having a Ch title on a dog doesn't mean its a great dog conformationally. Thats where all the politics come into dog showing.

 

[ChickyChat]

Don't forget PurplePoodle. you are 22 years old, the same age as my Daughter. You grew up with computers in your life and Me being 47 didn't even learn to turn one on until I was 37. My husband still can't turn off the screen saver but he can build a 20 million dollar intersection and road from scratch. It isn't as easy even to do a free site as you think. Plus being our age half of us can't rememeber from one time to the next what we learned on the PC last time we turned it on.
I'm very computer literate now but I still couldn't design a banner like yours if my life depended on it.

But, I did finally put mine online two months ago and have 850 hits already. I think this would have been impossible if I'd used a free website to build it.
I do have a professional designing a new banner for me now, but it's costing me many dog biscuits to do it.
I mean no disrespect to you being 22, but as we age we may gain valuable knowledge as a breeder, but we can be stupid as heck when it comes to building even a free website with a templet.

 

[SECRETO]

Don't forget PurplePoodle. you are 22 years old, the same age as my Daughter. You grew up with computers in your life and Me being 47 didn't even learn to turn one on until I was 37. My husband still can't turn off the screen saver but he can build a 20 million dollar intersection and road from scratch. It isn't as easy even to do a free site as you think. Plus being our age half of us can't rememeber from one time to the next what we learned on the PC last time we turned it on.
I'm very computer literate now but I still couldn't design a banner like yours if my life depended on it.

But, I did finally put mine online two months ago and have 850 hits already. I think this would have been impossible if I'd used a free website to build it.
I do have a professional designing a new banner for me now, but it's costing me many dog biscuits to do it.
I mean no disrespect to you being 22, but as we age we may gain valuable knowledge as a breeder, but we can be stupid as heck when it comes to building even a free website with a templet.

How long have you owned/bred Poodle's now?

 

[Purple Poodle]

Don't forget PurplePoodle. you are 22 years old, the same age as my Daughter. You grew up with computers in your life and Me being 47 didn't even learn to turn one on until I was 37. My husband still can't turn off the screen saver but he can build a 20 million dollar intersection and road from scratch. It isn't as easy even to do a free site as you think. Plus being our age half of us can't rememeber from one time to the next what we learned on the PC last time we turned it on.
I'm very computer literate now but I still couldn't design a banner like yours if my life depended on it.

But, I did finally put mine online two months ago and have 850 hits already. I think this would have been impossible if I'd used a free website to build it.
I do have a professional designing a new banner for me now, but it's costing me many dog biscuits to do it.
I mean no disrespect to you being 22, but as we age we may gain valuable knowledge as a breeder, but we can be stupid as heck when it comes to building even a free website with a templet.

None taken I have only been internet active for 6 years, we had a computer when I was younger (around 10) but all we did was type and play games.

BTW my banner was make with MS Paint

Some people can learn computer skills quickly and others not so much. I'm the middle of the road type and can do most but not all.

Free web hosting is just as effective as having your own domain name, it all depends on where your site is listed in search engines and where you advertise

 

[SECRETO]

None taken I have only been internet active for 6 years, we had a computer when I was younger (around 10) but all we did was type and play games.

BTW my banner was make with MS Paint

Some people can learn computer skills quickly and others not so much. I'm the middle of the road type and can do most but not all.

Free web hosting is just as effective as having your own domain name, it all depends on where your site is listed in search engines and where you advertise

Im not all that computer savvy. I may be 26 years old and yes I grew up using a computer from time to time but it was slow and I couldn't stand it. I never used a computer really until the last 2 yrs. Luckily, I have a husband that fails at nothing, so what I can't get done he step's in and completes. I love that hubby! lol He also does pedigree page's for some of our breeder friends but that's it right now. I have confidence that he will make our's look great and teach me too eventually.

I played around with the free web stuff but didn't get far. Im planning on just buying the domain and going that route. I have some time before thats all that important. Sting's just a baby and Eli is just my lovely pet. lol

 

[ChickyChat]

I use netfirms as a web host and it works well. They have a program you can download and use to build it or you can just buy the domain thru them for like 7 dollars a year. You can set the domain to point to your free site.
I am new to breeding actually and I wont mind admitting it. I have some fantastic mentors that I work with and I have researched for 3 year now, long before I even bought my first standard. We worked hard together to get her Delta Therapy Dog Certification by the time she was a year and 4 days old! I searched for two years to find Trigger to breed Paris to, and went first for conformation and color, I searched for the DD gene so that the puppies couldn't fade. I next went for Temperament and pedigree. Triggers Pedigree is FULL of champions, both American and Russian. He is still young and hasn't been shown, he had a veterinary procedure that was done when he wasn't quite out and made him afraid of people. He is a darling dog but skittish at first of strangers, so he can't be shown yet until he overcomes this. He will be going for hunt titles soon. Paris has many champions in her pedigree too, but I haven't ever shown a dog yet, and I don't think I have the backbone to take criticism like some others do. If we do get a great potential show dog I will keep it. There will be an AKC judge coming to my house at 8 weeks old to grade my puppies for show potential. Any other of my dogs will be sold as a Pet with a spay or neuter contract.
I did get an email a few days ago from a AKC, judge asking about my puppies. Word sure travels fast in the poodle world.
My website is only in the beginning stages, I hope to build it through experience as time goes on. I do put my heart and soul into this. I did have a litter of poodles 11 years ago which worked out well. Only 2 pups.

 

[SECRETO]

I use netfirms as a web host and it works well. They have a program you can download and use to build it or you can just buy the domain thru them for like 7 dollars a year. You can set the domain to point to your free site.
I am new to breeding actually and I wont mind admitting it. I have some fantastic mentors that I work with and I have researched for 3 year now, long before I even bought my first standard. We worked hard together to get her Delta Therapy Dog Certification by the time she was a year and 4 days old! I searched for two years to find Trigger to breed Paris to, and went first for conformation and color, I searched for the DD gene so that the puppies couldn't fade. I next went for Temperament and pedigree. Triggers Pedigree is FULL of champions, both American and Russian. He is still young and hasn't been shown, he had a veterinary procedure that was done when he wasn't quite out and made him afraid of people. He is a darling dog but skittish at first of strangers, so he can't be shown yet until he overcomes this. He will be going for hunt titles soon. Paris has many champions in her pedigree too, but I haven't ever shown a dog yet, and I don't think I have the backbone to take criticism like some others do. If we do get a great potential show dog I will keep it. There will be an AKC judge coming to my house at 8 weeks old to grade my puppies for show potential. Any other of my dogs will be sold as a Pet with a spay or neuter contract.
I did get an email a few days ago from a AKC, judge asking about my puppies. Word sure travels fast in the poodle world.
My website is only in the beginning stages, I hope to build it through experience as time goes on. I do put my heart and soul into this. I did have a litter of poodles 11 years ago which worked out well. Only 2 pups.

Speaking about Trigger being scared of new people....thats what Im talking about when I say that I know of many nice show dogs that came from one non-titled parent for one reason or another. It doesn't mean that that dog isn
t worthy of breeding. Thats also great that you have someone to come out and evaluate the pups at 8 weeks. Hopefully you'll have a decent amount of pups and be able to keep just the pup you want for your breeding program.

When we did our breeding with Cherry (Amstaff bitch) she only had 2 pups. The first was stillborn and the second lived for almost 2 days. We think she smothered him during the night. She had him laying in front of her chest with her legs crossed around him and her head covering him just like a good mommy would. Just as if he was alive and well. It was the saddest experience I have ever had with a dog. She looked for her baby for 2 weeks and was so depressed. We were offered to repeat the breeding but declined. It was just to much for us at that point. Since then we haven't been in any hurry to breed again or do we have anything available and ready to breed.

I realize you have your heart into this breeding just as we did. Its a special moment delivering those babies. lIts like there your own.

 

[ChickyChat]

That's so sad Secreto

 

[roxy25]

LOL ..... Im not refering the American bully comment. You said on a message to me that you couldn't find a nice Amstaff and you prefer the ADBA registered type APBT's. An American bully would "IMO" mean ANY american bully breed.

I realize we have difference of opinion on what is acceptable in our eyes when deciding on purchasing a dog. I still stick behind what I said about the what you can tell off a website. I know there are some situations where there is an exception. However, for the most part you can tell a great deal just from the advertisement through a site.

You seriously can't tell me that you haven't pulled up certain websites and said to yourself what a bad site! Come on now Roxy. lol

When I am talking about american bully's I mean this http://www.abkcdogs.org/ they are consider a seperate breed. I don't lump all pit bull type dogs in one category. I would never call an amstaff an american bully nor a apbt nor a staffy or a bull terrier .....

yes I seen bad websites but i can care less about the website. I find a lot of top breeders have HORRIBLE WEBSITES . I guess you think a good website has no pictures or updated events for the kennel etc..., its fine and dandy they have info about the breed and health testing but I came to the website for pictures and current wins or updated litters etc.... I know some breeders who never update and their sites , they are sooooooo old and they have decline in the quality of dogs they bred. there are breeders older than me that can not make web pages like Chickychat stated. I am 24 and I can't even make a website !

How do you think people found good breeders before the internet ? LOL

 

[roxy25]

anyways :focus:

My sister just got off the phone with Terry farley , He gave her some great info , I wish there where more breeders like him who love to teach and mentor newbies. He told my sister that there are true red dogs but they are rare. He said he has a 13 year old bitch that is still red. He also gave use names of some people in our area to contact for help. Most have apricot and red standard poodles so they will not be so bias towards us.

we sent him pictures of Enzo and he said he looks pretty good so far , he wants pictures of his face and more of him stacking ( which he is still a long way from doing properly lol)

 

[ChickyChat]

anyways :focus:

My sister just got off the phone with Terry farley , He gave her some great info , I wish there where more breeders like him who love to teach and mentor newbies. He told my sister that there are true red dogs but they are rare. He said he has a 13 year old bitch that is still red. He also gave use names of some people in our area to contact for help. Most have apricot and red standard poodles so they will not be so bias towards us.

we sent him pictures of Enzo and he said he looks pretty good so far , he wants pictures of his face and more of him stacking ( which he is still a long way from doing properly lol)

Roxy, Do me a favor please and ask him about this dog, http://www.harmonyhuntingpudels.com/Trigger.html Trigger. And about her breeding. CH Farleys D I Am Marcello is triggers great grandfather.
This is my puppies daddy.

 

[roxy25]

Roxy, Do me a favor please and ask him about this dog, http://www.harmonyhuntingpudels.com/Trigger.html Trigger. And about her breeding. CH Farleys D I Am Marcello is triggers great grandfather.
This is my puppies daddy.

Sure Chickychat I will send him another email tomorrow , I am on my way out the office. What would you like to know about Trigger ?

 

[ChickyChat]

Just ask him if he thinks triggers puppies will fade, being bred to an apricot dd gene female. And is this the 'true red' he is talking about?