[gwtwmum2]

Chicky Chat - Paris is Preston's brother right?
Roxy if you did get another puppy that was black or silver you should get one from Preston's human mama (Michelle Able). Honestly if I ever get another spoo, I believe I'll save up and buy from her. They take SUCH good care of their puppies and have them pretty much potty trained by the time they come with you. She takes all kinds of pictures and is a great person to work with. She had some beautiful blacks and silvers in her last liter. Do you live in Indiana? That is where Michelle is. If you don't, I probably have you confused with some of the others Indiana people on here.

 

[roxy25]

I guess I really lucked out with Casey...I know she doesn't have papers, which I am not sure I would do with anyway.

I don't plan to show her, so if she is not show quality then I don't care.

I don't plan to breed her, since I can't show her and will never know if she has qualities besides a great personality to pass on to her offspring.

I know I could have her tested enough to see if her body is physically sound enough...but if Chicky Chat is going to have such fabulous reds and apricots here in Indiana I see no reason to give her any competition!

Although if she keeps a male from her trigger litter I might be tempted to have her tested knowing there is a nice quality male within 300 miles from me that is RED with a RED background. Hmmmm I guess it would just make more sense to just save up my money and hope she has another litter from Trigger in the next couple of years, although a litter of red and apricots running around the house would be cute as heck!

I know that Casey is a bot orangey more than the deep red and she will likely lighten more with age. I just hope that she doesn't turn chocolate or silver beige like I have seen some 2 yr old dogs do that were supposed to be red! We have a rescue male that was dark red as a pup, then lightened to chocolate/silver beige now at 2 yrs old...wild. I never saw his parents, but the paperwork says they were both red...but I bet they were also young dogs that had not faded yet. To me its more about the personality, but if red is what you want then I totally understand when you are willing to search for one. We had to go all the way to TN to find a true red female toy poodle, and we paid out the nose and that was for just CKC papers! We didn't get her to breed or show, so AKC papers were not needed in our opinion, besides that would have cost us alot more! I understand that people don't want the bloodlines getting out and therefore charge more for fully registered dogs, but the difference was SO much it was a little like they were more looking for the money. Its not like she had pups for sale on spay/neuter contracts, just more money for "better" paperwork. If I would have gotten a spayed puppy along with limited AKC papers I would have paid her more, but she wasn't interested in doing that.

I know a long time ago there was someone in Indiana that had nice reds, and her males name was Tigger...if I can find out more about her dogs or if she is still breeding I will pm you the info. I know she sent me some pics of Tigger as like a 14 month old and he was RED RED RED...I can't even remember her name or other info, but I liked Tigger so much the name stuck in my mind. When I saw the name "Trigger" it made me think of him!

Thanks IPP

Yeah I live in CA I don't mind shipping the puppy but I have family in Indiana so maybe I could visit and check out the dogs etc.....

 

[roxy25]

Chicky Chat - Paris is Preston's brother right?
Roxy if you did get another puppy that was black or silver you should get one from Preston's human mama (Michelle Able). Honestly if I ever get another spoo, I believe I'll save up and buy from her. They take SUCH good care of their puppies and have them pretty much potty trained by the time they come with you. She takes all kinds of pictures and is a great person to work with. She had some beautiful blacks and silvers in her last liter. Do you live in Indiana? That is where Michelle is. If you don't, I probably have you confused with some of the others Indiana people on here.

Yeah I am in CA does she have a website ? I found another breeder that has maghony red poodles her dogd look like they stay that deep their whole life, I sent her a puppy application so I will see if I can visit her kennel.

 

[IPP]

Thanks IPP

Yeah I live in CA I don't mind shipping the puppy but I have family in Indiana so maybe I could visit and check out the dogs etc.....

Here is the link she sent me when I was inquiring about red standards...mind you this was probably over a year ago now. She had an ad up for a red standard male as a stud, so I thought I would e-mail to ask if she ever had puppies...and this is the link she sent me. I do have her phone number...if this link doesn't work for you then pm me and I can send you her phone number.

http://tropicalcactus.com/REDSTANDARDPOODLEPUPPIESFORSALEILLINOIS2008LEKEPOODLES.html

Thanks
Tina
LEKE POODLES

 

[roxy25]

Here is the link she sent me when I was inquiring about red standards...mind you this was probably over a year ago now. She had an ad up for a red standard male as a stud, so I thought I would e-mail to ask if she ever had puppies...and this is the link she sent me. I do have her phone number...if this link doesn't work for you then pm me and I can send you her phone number.

http://tropicalcactus.com/REDSTANDARDPOODLEPUPPIESFORSALEILLINOIS2008LEKEPOODLES.html

Thanks
Tina
LEKE POODLES

IPP i have been emailing this breeder. she seems nice but like i said earlier many breeders are lying about their dogs staying red. i have asked her to send me recent pictures and she keeps sending me old pics of when her dogs where young. look a how light tigger is now !!!!!!!! the mother of here recent litter is from majestic kennel she looks nice but again i do not know her true color as of now, i will post pics that she sent me later.

 

[ChickyChat]

Chicky Chat - Paris is Preston's brother right?
Yes!!! Paris is Preston's Sister, Preston is fading now
Michelle was really disappointed, but Preston's mother I"m assuming has the dd or Dd gene and Coby the father has the dd gene which will produce fading puppies 75% to 100% of the time. Michelle is almost as obsessed with her poodles as I am! We talk on the phone now and then!

 

[ChickyChat]

As soon as Paris has her puppies I'm going to have their DNA tested for the Dilute gene individually. That way I'll know if each puppy has it or not and I can advertise it that way. I want to be 100% sure before I make any promises to anyone.

 

[IPP]

IPP i have been emailing this breeder. she seems nice but like i said earlier many breeders are lying about their dogs staying red. i have asked her to send me recent pictures and she keeps sending me old pics of when her dogs where young. look a how light tigger is now !!!!!!!! the mother of here recent litter is from majestic kennel she looks nice but again i do not know her true color as of now, i will post pics that she sent me later.

Well I do know of this breeder in Indiana as well, and she does have adult pics of her standards and other dogs. She keeps most of her dogs in a short groom so its hard to tell their color, but I suppose if you are wanting to see reds in Indiana I might as well mention her! I have never been to her home either, but I do know many people who have recommended her. I really like a female she has named Legacy...awesome coloring (not a red though) she has a picture of her on there somewhere. I know she has either 1 or 2 litters of reds/apricots but seeing as the mothers are light I would suppose they might fade. You would just have to e-mail her and ask!

http://www.hilltoppups.net/ (web-site)
[email protected] (e-mail address)

If you decided to make a day out of visiting standard poodles breeders in Indiana and are tempted by the blues I do know of a lady who has them as well. I think her standards are show dogs, at least the father...and she has reds, apricots, creams, browns and nice blue and sometimes silver pups. At least you know a blue or silver is going to fade, then its fun to see how much or how light they will get! LOL She has a litter right now, but no reds...very cute blue and chocolates!

http://www.vendettapoodles.com/ (web-site)

 

[Purple Poodle]

Well I do know of this breeder in Indiana as well, and she does have adult pics of her standards and other dogs. She keeps most of her dogs in a short groom so its hard to tell their color, but I suppose if you are wanting to see reds in Indiana I might as well mention her! I have never been to her home either, but I do know many people who have recommended her. I really like a female she has named Legacy...awesome coloring (not a red though) she has a picture of her on there somewhere. I know she has either 1 or 2 litters of reds/apricots but seeing as the mothers are light I would suppose they might fade. You would just have to e-mail her and ask!

http://www.hilltoppups.net/ (web-site)
[email protected] (e-mail address)

She is a "Doodle" breeder I would advise to look else ware for a puppy

On the topic of "reds" there is no gene in poodles that is "red" like an Irish Setter they are all genetically "Apricot" or dark creams like Labradors. Its just now breeders are keeping the fading gene out and the dogs stay a dark orange color. I have yet to see one as dark as an Irish. Also some dogs are genetically Sable which can look red but its not. The friend I have who was wanting a red Standard went to a breeder and the woman way dyeing puppies to be darker! My friend asked the lady what she was doing and the woman said "Oh just adding a little color to these pups before they go online" needless to say my friend high tailed it out of there!

 

[SECRETO]

She is a "Doodle" breeder I would advise to look else ware for a puppy

On the topic of "reds" there is no gene in poodles that is "red" like an Irish Setter they are all genetically "Apricot" or dark creams like Labradors. Its just now breeders are keeping the fading gene out and the dogs stay a dark orange color. I have yet to see one as dark as an Irish. Also some dogs are genetically Sable which can look red but its not. The friend I have who was wanting a red Standard went to a breeder and the woman way dyeing puppies to be darker! My friend asked the lady what she was doing and the woman said "Oh just adding a little color to these pups before they go online" needless to say my friend high tailed it out of there!

Im with PP too. I would NEVER consider a person that call's themselves a breeder that breeds sheparddoodles and so forth. lol Im actually laughing because that website said enough right there. Sorry if that sounds rude but that me being real.

By the way to whom ever is looking for a puppy, a website says a lot just by the way they advertise themselves. People that are really into there dogs and the best for the breed represent there sites very well too. I may sound like a snob but its the truth. Also quality standard Poodle's run about 2,000 or 3,000 if you want a show potential. You can get a pet from a "so called breeder" that does 0 health testing for 1,000 all day long.

Wow PP, all this red talk reminds me of the bully "blue dog" stuff. Everyone's trying to get a piece of the pie. lol

 

[ChickyChat]

If you decided to make a day out of visiting standard poodles breeders in Indiana and are tempted by the blues I do know of a lady who has them as well. I think her standards are show dogs, at least the father...and she has reds, apricots, creams, browns and nice blue and sometimes silver pups. At least you know a blue or silver is going to fade, then its fun to see how much or how light they will get! LOL She has a litter right now, but no reds...very cute blue and chocolates!

http://www.vendettapoodles.com/ (web-site)

I take my dogs to vendetta poodles for grooming. Karens husband lost his battle to cancer just three days ago, so I'd give her a week or two before calling her. It is really sad.
Her dog Amos is red is a son to Preston, and brother to my Paris.

 

[IPP]

If I were to get a red and wanted it for showing I would indeed call Karen. I also don't agree with the mixed breed designer breed, either...but I thought I would put her info up to be fair. When I first was looking at her web-site a few years back she only did standards and occasionally a Labradoodle because she also bred labs as well. I see that since the last time I looked she has added quite a few dogs and new "Crosses". I only mentioned her because I knew she had reds...

If I were looking for a show red or apricot I wouldn't probably go with anyone but Karen (at least if I didn't want to go outside Indiana) and just hope she had a red/apricot litter because I know her puppies go FAST!

If I were just looking for a standard poodle and weren't interested in showing or therapy assistance I would just go through the Indianapolis Poodle Rescue!

I just saw a post on www.craigslist.com in Indianapolis Indiana and they are begging for foster and permanent homes for poodles and mixes of all ages, shapes, colors and sizes! If you look up poodles on www.petfinder.com in Indiana there are over 50 dogs!

 

[SECRETO]

Here is a breeder that has breed's and show's red poodles in Canada. I prefer this red vs a dark orange/red. This is just a little darker then an apricot.


http://www.lumierestandardpoodles.com/Robson.html

 

[roxy25]

As soon as Paris has her puppies I'm going to have their DNA tested for the Dilute gene individually. That way I'll know if each puppy has it or not and I can advertise it that way. I want to be 100% sure before I make any promises to anyone.

can you keep me posted on your pups?

 

[roxy25]

Im with PP too. I would NEVER consider a person that call's themselves a breeder that breeds sheparddoodles and so forth. lol Im actually laughing because that website said enough right there. Sorry if that sounds rude but that me being real.

By the way to whom ever is looking for a puppy, a website says a lot just by the way they advertise themselves. People that are really into there dogs and the best for the breed represent there sites very well too. I may sound like a snob but its the truth. Also quality standard Poodle's run about 2,000 or 3,000 if you want a show potential. You can get a pet from a "so called breeder" that does 0 health testing for 1,000 all day long.

Wow PP, all this red talk reminds me of the bully "blue dog" stuff. Everyone's trying to get a piece of the pie. lol

yeah of course i make sure the breeder health test. i really don't go by some ones website since many people are not web savvy. i seen all of the breeders websites on the apricot and red poodle club. this is how i got in contact with terry farley from farley d poodles. susan osburn (sp) in nevada she has bred the fourth red ch , raquel just finished so i might contact her as well since she is super close to me compared to terry and the canadian breeders.

 

[SECRETO]

yeah of course i make sure the breeder health test. i really don't go by some ones website since many people are not web savvy. i seen all of the breeders websites on the apricot and red poodle club. this is how i got in contact with terry farley from farley d poodles. susan osburn (sp) in nevada she has bred the fourth red ch , raquel just finished so i might contact her as well since she is super close to me compared to terry and the canadian breeders.

Well, lol, from looking at her website, she looks like a much better breeder then most of the red Poodle breeder's I have seen. If a good breeder is not web savvy then they have one of there fellow breeder friends do there website. First impressions mean a great deal and internet is the best advertisment for a dog breeder. As you get further into showing and meet reputable breeder's, you will see what Im saying.

You are also right to pass up a breeder that will not take a few minutes to respond to your email (s). If you can't get there time as a potential home for their pups, you most certainly wont get the time and assistance a good breeder should want to provide after you purchase a puppy.

One thing I have learned if you want to be successful in showing sooner then later, is to be color blind. First you pick the few pup's out that have the best conformation, evaluate temperment and then decide apon color. Honestly, for me, temperment is not a major concern coming from a good breeder because they're all still just pups. You can usually tell a dead head right puppy right away. But for the most part a puppy coming from a good breeder will be well socialized for the age and pretty outgoing to most people they meet. I had to do that with Sting. I had wanted his littermate brother (creme pup) for weeks and then when I met both boys in person and I immediatly knew I would be stupid to take the creme puppy over the black because I really wanted a show potential.

Anyways, that's just something to consider because I know your very interested in showing eventually. Also, if your ever considering wanting to go AKC for showing and you don't intend to hire a handler, then I would not get a red/apricot/brown dog. Even the really good breeder's that were selling brown pups advised me for a beginner owner/handler in Poodle's stick to black or white and possibly silver. After your more recognized, then go to the other colors. Just some info I have learned and thought I'd pass on before you put a chunk of money on a show potential Poodle.

 

[gwtwmum2]

Chicky Chat - I just love Michelle, she and I email a couple of times a week!
She takes such good care of her puppies. I was really impressed following her last liter.
I went on the website you suggested and was sorry to hear about Karen's husband. Michelle said he wasn't doing well.
But I was pleasantly surprised when I looked on her expectent page - she is using Wrigley and Jenny (Sam I am's white girl) dad. He is the ice white poodle - Braeden. Small world!

 

[ChickyChat]

I really like Michelle a lot too!

 

[roxy25]

Well, lol, from looking at her website, she looks like a much better breeder then most of the red Poodle breeder's I have seen. If a good breeder is not web savvy then they have one of there fellow breeder friends do there website. First impressions mean a great deal and internet is the best advertisment for a dog breeder. As you get further into showing and meet reputable breeder's, you will see what Im saying.

I still stand by what I said about not caring how their website is lol. I have met many people with great dogs over the 10 years of going to dog shows and their website is crap or out dated. I know they can pay for someone to do the website or have a friend but if they are a good breeder they don't need that kind of avertisment IMO. If i based my opinion on webistes I would end up with a small number of breeders to talk to lol IMO most have HORRIBLE websites .I agree Lumeire's website is nice. This brings to mind American bully kennels. Some of these breeders have the flashest sites great pics etc... There dogs are horrible ..... so the website does not mean anything to me.

I am not so stuck on color but if I can get another red or apricot that is nice then I might get one , other wise blue,silver,black,brown is fine with me. I just won't get a white lol

 

[SECRETO]

I still stand by what I said about not caring how their website is lol. I have met many people with great dogs over the 10 years of going to dog shows and their website is crap or out dated. I know they can pay for someone to do the website or have a friend but if they are a good breeder they don't need that kind of avertisment IMO. If i based my opinion on webistes I would end up with a small number of breeders to talk to lol IMO most have HORRIBLE websites .I agree Lumeire's website is nice. This brings to mind American bully kennels. Some of these breeders have the flashest sites great pics etc... There dogs are horrible ..... so the website does not mean anything to me.

I am not so stuck on color but if I can get another red or apricot that is nice then I might get one , other wise blue,silver,black,brown is fine with me. I just won't get a white lol

When I say nice website's Im meaning tastful and informative with nice dogs. Not meaning ghetto and neat with piles. I have seen websites that seem nice but you can tell right off the back they have crappy dogs if you know the standard of the breed well enough. With bully sites most of them are ghetto....sorry but thats true. You and I certainly have difference of what a nice dog when it comes to Amsttaffs. It didn't take my husband and I more then 2 years after going to dog show's to realize what a nice amstaff was. We were out there to take breed not to win classes for years to come. I really don't mean to sound rude at all, but that's just what its all about. People can say "oh, Im only doing it because it's fun". We all want to win and to have the top dog no matter what anyone says.

I most certainly have been out of the loop for about 2 yrs now. I don't have the time to make a mistake and take 2 yrs to figure out what a nice Poodle is for showing. I may be young and not have experience like other breeder's that have been doing it for 20 yrs but I know what it takes to start off successfully and that Im looking forward too.

Im sure Im coming off stuck up but like they say, "it is what it is". I love that saying! lol