[Purple Poodle]

Well I do know of this breeder in Indiana as well, and she does have adult pics of her standards and other dogs. She keeps most of her dogs in a short groom so its hard to tell their color, but I suppose if you are wanting to see reds in Indiana I might as well mention her! I have never been to her home either, but I do know many people who have recommended her. I really like a female she has named Legacy...awesome coloring (not a red though) she has a picture of her on there somewhere. I know she has either 1 or 2 litters of reds/apricots but seeing as the mothers are light I would suppose they might fade. You would just have to e-mail her and ask!

http://www.hilltoppups.net/ (web-site)
[email protected] (e-mail address)

She is a "Doodle" breeder I would advise to look else ware for a puppy

On the topic of "reds" there is no gene in poodles that is "red" like an Irish Setter they are all genetically "Apricot" or dark creams like Labradors. Its just now breeders are keeping the fading gene out and the dogs stay a dark orange color. I have yet to see one as dark as an Irish. Also some dogs are genetically Sable which can look red but its not. The friend I have who was wanting a red Standard went to a breeder and the woman way dyeing puppies to be darker! My friend asked the lady what she was doing and the woman said "Oh just adding a little color to these pups before they go online" needless to say my friend high tailed it out of there!

 

[Purple Poodle]

Regarding the website comments: Websites are not hard to make look good regardless of how much you know. Nor does it have to cost a fourtune.

I use a template based free web host and I have to say my site looks good Plouf Parti Poodles I know very little about HTML or CSS of what have you.

I hate seeing a breeders website look shitty, to me that means they don't care what people think or see when they long on *shrug* Its kind of like going to a breeders house and the place is a mess and they can;t show you anything because they don't know where its at.

Anyway....

 

[Purple Poodle]

Don't forget PurplePoodle. you are 22 years old, the same age as my Daughter. You grew up with computers in your life and Me being 47 didn't even learn to turn one on until I was 37. My husband still can't turn off the screen saver but he can build a 20 million dollar intersection and road from scratch. It isn't as easy even to do a free site as you think. Plus being our age half of us can't rememeber from one time to the next what we learned on the PC last time we turned it on.
I'm very computer literate now but I still couldn't design a banner like yours if my life depended on it.

But, I did finally put mine online two months ago and have 850 hits already. I think this would have been impossible if I'd used a free website to build it.
I do have a professional designing a new banner for me now, but it's costing me many dog biscuits to do it.
I mean no disrespect to you being 22, but as we age we may gain valuable knowledge as a breeder, but we can be stupid as heck when it comes to building even a free website with a templet.

None taken I have only been internet active for 6 years, we had a computer when I was younger (around 10) but all we did was type and play games.

BTW my banner was make with MS Paint

Some people can learn computer skills quickly and others not so much. I'm the middle of the road type and can do most but not all.

Free web hosting is just as effective as having your own domain name, it all depends on where your site is listed in search engines and where you advertise

 

[Purple Poodle]

I had a question on Blue pood;es. Are they a blue color like a weimraner or are they dark like black blue ?

Weimeraners are not blue they are a dilute liver called Isabella. Most Blue poodles are dark blue like this dog , or this like a gun metel color.

 

[Purple Poodle]

Silver gets lighter as the dog ages and you can tell by 8 weeks weather or not its silver with blues its hared to tell, in to at all at 8 weeks.

If you go to their females page the dog at the bottom is a blue, the dog on the home page is a silver, like "Princess TT" on their females page.

 

[Purple Poodle]

actually here isginger now.

Pam Ginger is actually a Brown, she has a liver nose and amber eyes She may have a red cats but she is indeed a brown.

 

[Purple Poodle]

Genetically red dogs can not and will not have liver pigment, red nosed pit bulls are not red they are liver in coat and nose color. Pam you can call her whatever color you want it does not mean that she is

 

[Purple Poodle]

The following information was authored by VetGen, who first established DNA testing for coat color.

"any breeding which produces both Brown or Cream, White, Apricot or red, has the potential to produce brown nosed cream, white, apricot or red. If the breeding does not have the potential to produce blacks, only cream, white, apricot, red and brown, all cream, white, apricot and red will have brown noses."
Brown nose is what you are all referring to as liver noses.

But in Poodles there is NO red gene, none, zip nodda. What most breeders call "red" are dark Apricot which can have liver pigment. So what I am getting at is her dog is NOT red it is brown. But whatever.

 

[Purple Poodle]

Sorry honey, but you don't know it all. There isn't a liver color in Pit Bulls its called fawn. My Lotus is a red nose fawn and white Pit Bull. They may say the nose is liver in color (describing it) its called a red nose and the colors fawn.

These pics show Malibu (on left) which is Blue fawn Pit Bull, Cherry (middle) which is a red and white Amstaff, and Lotus (right) red nose fawn and white Pit Bull.

Sorry honey, but any dog with a brown or red or whatever color you want to call nose it is a liver pigmented dog. Dogs come in two main colors black and brown (liver) and that is determined by nose and eye color, if your dog has a black nose it is a black dog, if it has a brown nose it is a brown dog. If it has a blue nose it is a dilute of black, if it has a flesh colored or pink tint to it, it is a dilute of brown. Lots of colors can have either black or brown pigment it just depends on the modifiers.

I never said I new it all but I when I make a statement or correct someone I sure as hell know what I'm talking about.

I said she can call the dog whatever color she wants to, it just does not make it true.

 

[Purple Poodle]

Pam has an Apricot (yellow) dog with a liver nose and a Brown dog with a liver nose. If you stood her "red" dog next to a "red" with the same coat color but a black nose then it would mean she has an Apricot coated dog as yellow can be expressed with black AND liver pigment.

I do not see why y'all do not understand that there are NO red Poodles, you have dark colored Apricots who do not fade or you have dark sables who do eventually fade.

I do not know everything about poodle colors but I have read everything I can find on the subject.

 

[Purple Poodle]

It is true about the reds all being apricot, but different shades, some affected by the dilute gene and others not. Even a deep deep red is in fact an apricot, as is a cream or a white, according to DNA, but the tips ie nose skin lips pads of feet, are liver OR black. they can have either. If you mix a brown dog with an apricot dog you can get the wrong color tips to go with a different color dog. normally if the red (apricot) dog is bred to a brown the tips have a chance of being the wrong color, liver on apricot, which is a major fault for AKC conformation.
Everything I try to say here I can back up with quotes among quotes from the poodle DNA books. Unless I'm not typing clearly what I'm thinking.

Right, so what were we arguing about? :lol: