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Did you see that parti male needing a home on another thread? WOW talk about a looker!

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12798840

I bet its too far for you though...but I think a nice parti-colored standard is a GREAT idea!

I am bit "partial" to the parti-colored poodles though...so I guess you have to ignore my opinion as I am a bit biased on color! LOL

I don't think Enzo will fade as much as you think...he has the black points and if he has a strong red background then I bet he will stay a nice deep red. I have a female toy red with dark chocolate points and she has stayed a much darker red than I could have ever hoped! I think you will be surprised! I have seen some VERY dark adult standard poodles and even at 4+ yrs old I have seen them stay pretty dark!

 

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If you are looking for a breeder with red standards that stay red, just look at the parents. A good breeder will not breed until the dogs are done with all testing, which is about 2 yrs old. A true red dog will have faded little by the time they are 2 yrs old...so if you find a breeder who has nice red adult standards and they are tested and over 2 yrs old...that breed will have nice red puppies that stay red.

Of course if you breed a red to a black you can get red puppies that have the potential to stay pretty red. Just ask to see a pedigree on the black dog to see if its mostly black and red with little cream and white in it. Most good breeders are proud to show off their dogs pedigree!

 

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I guess I really lucked out with Casey...I know she doesn't have papers, which I am not sure I would do with anyway.

I don't plan to show her, so if she is not show quality then I don't care.

I don't plan to breed her, since I can't show her and will never know if she has qualities besides a great personality to pass on to her offspring.

I know I could have her tested enough to see if her body is physically sound enough...but if Chicky Chat is going to have such fabulous reds and apricots here in Indiana I see no reason to give her any competition!

Although if she keeps a male from her trigger litter I might be tempted to have her tested knowing there is a nice quality male within 300 miles from me that is RED with a RED background. Hmmmm I guess it would just make more sense to just save up my money and hope she has another litter from Trigger in the next couple of years, although a litter of red and apricots running around the house would be cute as heck!

I know that Casey is a bot orangey more than the deep red and she will likely lighten more with age. I just hope that she doesn't turn chocolate or silver beige like I have seen some 2 yr old dogs do that were supposed to be red! We have a rescue male that was dark red as a pup, then lightened to chocolate/silver beige now at 2 yrs old...wild. I never saw his parents, but the paperwork says they were both red...but I bet they were also young dogs that had not faded yet. To me its more about the personality, but if red is what you want then I totally understand when you are willing to search for one. We had to go all the way to TN to find a true red female toy poodle, and we paid out the nose and that was for just CKC papers! We didn't get her to breed or show, so AKC papers were not needed in our opinion, besides that would have cost us alot more! I understand that people don't want the bloodlines getting out and therefore charge more for fully registered dogs, but the difference was SO much it was a little like they were more looking for the money. Its not like she had pups for sale on spay/neuter contracts, just more money for "better" paperwork. If I would have gotten a spayed puppy along with limited AKC papers I would have paid her more, but she wasn't interested in doing that.

I know a long time ago there was someone in Indiana that had nice reds, and her males name was Tigger...if I can find out more about her dogs or if she is still breeding I will pm you the info. I know she sent me some pics of Tigger as like a 14 month old and he was RED RED RED...I can't even remember her name or other info, but I liked Tigger so much the name stuck in my mind. When I saw the name "Trigger" it made me think of him!

 

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Thanks IPP

Yeah I live in CA I don't mind shipping the puppy but I have family in Indiana so maybe I could visit and check out the dogs etc.....

Here is the link she sent me when I was inquiring about red standards...mind you this was probably over a year ago now. She had an ad up for a red standard male as a stud, so I thought I would e-mail to ask if she ever had puppies...and this is the link she sent me. I do have her phone number...if this link doesn't work for you then pm me and I can send you her phone number.

http://tropicalcactus.com/REDSTANDARDPOODLEPUPPIESFORSALEILLINOIS2008LEKEPOODLES.html

Thanks
Tina
LEKE POODLES

 

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IPP i have been emailing this breeder. she seems nice but like i said earlier many breeders are lying about their dogs staying red. i have asked her to send me recent pictures and she keeps sending me old pics of when her dogs where young. look a how light tigger is now !!!!!!!! the mother of here recent litter is from majestic kennel she looks nice but again i do not know her true color as of now, i will post pics that she sent me later.

Well I do know of this breeder in Indiana as well, and she does have adult pics of her standards and other dogs. She keeps most of her dogs in a short groom so its hard to tell their color, but I suppose if you are wanting to see reds in Indiana I might as well mention her! I have never been to her home either, but I do know many people who have recommended her. I really like a female she has named Legacy...awesome coloring (not a red though) she has a picture of her on there somewhere. I know she has either 1 or 2 litters of reds/apricots but seeing as the mothers are light I would suppose they might fade. You would just have to e-mail her and ask!

http://www.hilltoppups.net/ (web-site)
[email protected] (e-mail address)

If you decided to make a day out of visiting standard poodles breeders in Indiana and are tempted by the blues I do know of a lady who has them as well. I think her standards are show dogs, at least the father...and she has reds, apricots, creams, browns and nice blue and sometimes silver pups. At least you know a blue or silver is going to fade, then its fun to see how much or how light they will get! LOL She has a litter right now, but no reds...very cute blue and chocolates!

http://www.vendettapoodles.com/ (web-site)

 

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If I were to get a red and wanted it for showing I would indeed call Karen. I also don't agree with the mixed breed designer breed, either...but I thought I would put her info up to be fair. When I first was looking at her web-site a few years back she only did standards and occasionally a Labradoodle because she also bred labs as well. I see that since the last time I looked she has added quite a few dogs and new "Crosses". I only mentioned her because I knew she had reds...

If I were looking for a show red or apricot I wouldn't probably go with anyone but Karen (at least if I didn't want to go outside Indiana) and just hope she had a red/apricot litter because I know her puppies go FAST!

If I were just looking for a standard poodle and weren't interested in showing or therapy assistance I would just go through the Indianapolis Poodle Rescue!

I just saw a post on www.craigslist.com in Indianapolis Indiana and they are begging for foster and permanent homes for poodles and mixes of all ages, shapes, colors and sizes! If you look up poodles on www.petfinder.com in Indiana there are over 50 dogs!

 

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