my ginger is 3 and a half and is still red - somedays more than others lol I think enzo is so gorgous but he is lighter than ginger was when his age. so the darker the pup the more red it will stay.LOL I wanted to get another red poodle but I am not too fawn of the fact they fade to a apricot color . So maybe a silver dog ? or black dog. if i get silver at least i expect him or her to get lighter lol Or maybe a parti poodle
I asked the breeder for a red female - both the sire and damn are red - and she showed me two - Ginger who had green eyes and the pink/liver nose and the other looked just like Enzo. Even though I though the other dog was the most beautiful dog I ever saw lol - I wanted Ginger cause she was redder. so far my pix don't realy show her color too good but she is a redhead. In fact, my daughter is a redhead (helped along with the bottle since gray coming in lol) and they have the same exact color har. Now that I have a camera, as soon as I have two hands lol I will try to get more p;ix. Ginger is getting a lot of white hairs though - throuout the coat when long you can see it
thank you for the link - Cedar looks a lot like Ginger. She will always be my redhead and her akc pedigree says red.I want to share with Pamela a link to a wonderful Poodle names cedar who is red with the liver tips,
Cedar JH (AKC Junior Hunter), SR (NAHRA Started Hunting Retriever) AKC PR07235305
Cedar is a wonder dog. There are only around 13 poodles in the US that have achieved a SR Hunt title.
This dog lives with "trigger"
ok so Teddy is brown not silver beige? and ginger is apricot or yellow? too confusing to me lolPam has an Apricot (yellow) dog with a liver nose and a Brown dog with a liver nose. If you stood her "red" dog next to a "red" with the same coat color but a black nose then it would mean she has an Apricot coated dog as yellow can be expressed with black AND liver pigment.
I do not see why y'all do not understand that there are NO red Poodles, you have dark colored Apricots who do not fade or you have dark sables who do eventually fade.
I do not know everything about poodle colors but I have read everything I can find on the subject.
Ginger has Shangri-La in her pedigree from her father Crackerjack of Leatherstocking Kennel - I almost bought from Ilse at SL but ner dogs were very big!Here is some interesting info on the reds:
Deep and rich, a clear red very distinctly different from apricot. Some pups
who start off as Red can fade into a dark apricot or even in some instances
a light apricot with dark shading around the eyes and nose. Usually those
who fade so dramatically have ancestors who were silver or blue.
Although the Red color has existed in the Miniature and Toy Poodle for
quite some time, the Red color is very new to the Standard Poodle.
Red was introduced into the Standard Poodle by a breeder in Oregon,
Palmares Kennels, and Shangri- La in New York.
These two breeders bred a small english apricot Standard female with an
over-sized red Miniature The first litter had 4 red babies. The color was a
perfect red but the problem came later on. The heads were Standard
Poodles, the legs short like Miniature Poodles.
It took many years of selective breeding to get the correct proportions, size
and temperament of the Standard Poodle.
When looking for a RED Standard Poodle it is imperative to ask for the
pedigree of the parents to see that the dogs go back to either Palmares or
Shangri-La. If NEITHER kennel name is in the pedigree then it is likely NOT
a red but an apricot.
Due to the increased popularity in the REDS many back-yard breeders are
selling Apricot pups as REDS.
i believe ilse's dogs are in schenectady ny now - if you go on the shangrila websie it gives the new address - otyherwise its her same site - her friends took the dogs when she passed - most of them that isI am so sorry to learn of Ilse Konig's passing. I bought a wonderful dog from her back around 1988. A big silver......I am searching for a new standard now and thought I would contact her again...we have exchanged messages over the years occasionally.
What happened to her remaining dogs?