[Pamela]

Technically he is my sister’s dog she paid for him etc…. I train and play with him lol

oh - it would be nice to get your own and Enzo can play with it!

 

[Pamela]

LOL I wanted to get another red poodle but I am not too fawn of the fact they fade to a apricot color . So maybe a silver dog ? or black dog. if i get silver at least i expect him or her to get lighter lol Or maybe a parti poodle

my ginger is 3 and a half and is still red - somedays more than others lol I think enzo is so gorgous but he is lighter than ginger was when his age. so the darker the pup the more red it will stay.

 

[Pamela]

actually here isginger now.

 

[Pamela]

Pam Ginger is actually a Brown, she has a liver nose and amber eyes She may have a red cats but she is indeed a brown.

actually she is red - akc accepts the pink nose as long as the eyes are amber.

 

[Pamela]

http://www.poodleforum.com/showthread.php?t=233

This thread was when Pamela was asking about her male's color. I think it shows the contrast really well. I had never seen a red with a liver nose before this.

I asked the breeder for a red female - both the sire and damn are red - and she showed me two - Ginger who had green eyes and the pink/liver nose and the other looked just like Enzo. Even though I though the other dog was the most beautiful dog I ever saw lol - I wanted Ginger cause she was redder. so far my pix don't realy show her color too good but she is a redhead. In fact, my daughter is a redhead (helped along with the bottle since gray coming in lol) and they have the same exact color har. Now that I have a camera, as soon as I have two hands lol I will try to get more p;ix. Ginger is getting a lot of white hairs though - throuout the coat when long you can see it

 

[Pamela]

I want to share with Pamela a link to a wonderful Poodle names cedar who is red with the liver tips,
http://www.harmonyhuntingpudels.com/Cedar.html

Cedar JH (AKC Junior Hunter), SR (NAHRA Started Hunting Retriever) AKC PR07235305

Cedar is a wonder dog. There are only around 13 poodles in the US that have achieved a SR Hunt title.
This dog lives with "trigger"

thank you for the link - Cedar looks a lot like Ginger. She will always be my redhead and her akc pedigree says red.

 

[Pamela]

there is no diubt in my mind that the red poodles with black points are more beautiful. Just thought I would clarify that. But I wuv my Gingy girl - AKC name Gingerbread.:whoo:

 

[Pamela]

Pam has an Apricot (yellow) dog with a liver nose and a Brown dog with a liver nose. If you stood her "red" dog next to a "red" with the same coat color but a black nose then it would mean she has an Apricot coated dog as yellow can be expressed with black AND liver pigment.

I do not see why y'all do not understand that there are NO red Poodles, you have dark colored Apricots who do not fade or you have dark sables who do eventually fade.

I do not know everything about poodle colors but I have read everything I can find on the subject.

ok so Teddy is brown not silver beige? and ginger is apricot or yellow? too confusing to me lol

 

[Pamela]

Here is some interesting info on the reds:
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Deep and rich, a clear red very distinctly different from apricot. Some pups
who start off as Red can fade into a dark apricot or even in some instances
a light apricot with dark shading around the eyes and nose. Usually those
who fade so dramatically have ancestors who were silver or blue.

Although the Red color has existed in the Miniature and Toy Poodle for
quite some time, the Red color is very new to the Standard Poodle.

Red was introduced into the Standard Poodle by a breeder in Oregon,
Palmares Kennels, and Shangri- La in New York.

These two breeders bred a small english apricot Standard female with an
over-sized red Miniature The first litter had 4 red babies. The color was a
perfect red but the problem came later on. The heads were Standard
Poodles, the legs short like Miniature Poodles.

It took many years of selective breeding to get the correct proportions, size
and temperament of the Standard Poodle.

When looking for a RED Standard Poodle it is imperative to ask for the
pedigree of the parents to see that the dogs go back to either Palmares or
Shangri-La. If NEITHER kennel name is in the pedigree then it is likely NOT
a red but an apricot.

Due to the increased popularity in the REDS many back-yard breeders are
selling Apricot pups as REDS.

Ginger has Shangri-La in her pedigree from her father Crackerjack of Leatherstocking Kennel - I almost bought from Ilse at SL but ner dogs were very big!

 

[Pamela]

To continue about Shangrila - that was my introduction to standard poodles. Ilse brought out two dogs for me to see and I thought - my goodness they are like little ponies the way they prance - I was amazed! But her red boy Patrick was almost as big as me and I thought that all spoos would be like that. I accidentally came across the smaller standard and found my way to Leatherstocking. Now that I have had two spoos I think I could have handled a dog like Patrick. Such personality - I just love spoos! adly Ilse passed away right after that - very sad - she was so alone but for her beloved dogs. I wish I had known her beetter. She was actaully feeling very ill the day I went to see the dogs. too ill to show the puppies or maybe I owuld have gotten one from her. She was just able to come out on the porch with two of her dogs and they were loose but obedient. Patrick was the same color red as Ginger. Ginger's mother was also red but I don't remember if she had black or liver points. Crackerjack had black. interesting coincidence because I just found out from Poodle Planet that Crackerjack has Shangrila in his line.

 

[Pamela]

I am so sorry to learn of Ilse Konig's passing. I bought a wonderful dog from her back around 1988. A big silver......I am searching for a new standard now and thought I would contact her again...we have exchanged messages over the years occasionally.

What happened to her remaining dogs?

mlm

i believe ilse's dogs are in schenectady ny now - if you go on the shangrila websie it gives the new address - otyherwise its her same site - her friends took the dogs when she passed - most of them that is