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So I been thinking that I want my own poodle now ! so maybe when Enzo turns 6 months I will consider getting my own :D
 

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Technically he is my sister’s dog she paid for him etc…. I train and play with him lol
 

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I agree as well. Plus soon your sister will be dressing Enzo up in pink clothes. lol You can't take that! lol
 

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I agree as well. Plus soon your sister will be dressing Enzo up in pink clothes. lol You can't take that! lol
LOL I wanted to get another red poodle but I am not too fawn of the fact they fade to a apricot color :( . So maybe a silver dog ? or black dog. if i get silver at least i expect him or her to get lighter lol Or maybe a parti poodle
 

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Did you see that parti male needing a home on another thread? WOW talk about a looker!

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12798840

I bet its too far for you though...but I think a nice parti-colored standard is a GREAT idea!

I am bit "partial" to the parti-colored poodles though...so I guess you have to ignore my opinion as I am a bit biased on color! LOL

I don't think Enzo will fade as much as you think...he has the black points and if he has a strong red background then I bet he will stay a nice deep red. I have a female toy red with dark chocolate points and she has stayed a much darker red than I could have ever hoped! I think you will be surprised! I have seen some VERY dark adult standard poodles and even at 4+ yrs old I have seen them stay pretty dark!
 

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LOL I wanted to get another red poodle but I am not too fawn of the fact they fade to a apricot color :( . So maybe a silver dog ? or black dog. if i get silver at least i expect him or her to get lighter lol Or maybe a parti poodle
Roxy, not all of them fade. The fading is caused by a dd ressessive dilute gene and if the dog carries a Dd or a DD which is dominant and can't fade you will have a very nice red dog forever. I plan on having my puppies tested for the dilute gene when they are born, that way i know.
 

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Roxy, not all of them fade. The fading is caused by a dd ressessive dilute gene and if the dog carries a Dd or a DD which is dominant and can't fade you will have a very nice red dog forever. I plan on having my puppies tested for the dilute gene when they are born, that way i know.
What breeder has true reds ? I asked a bunch of red standard breeders and they where rude saying " good luck finding a red that does not fade "
 

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If you are looking for a breeder with red standards that stay red, just look at the parents. A good breeder will not breed until the dogs are done with all testing, which is about 2 yrs old. A true red dog will have faded little by the time they are 2 yrs old...so if you find a breeder who has nice red adult standards and they are tested and over 2 yrs old...that breed will have nice red puppies that stay red.

Of course if you breed a red to a black you can get red puppies that have the potential to stay pretty red. Just ask to see a pedigree on the black dog to see if its mostly black and red with little cream and white in it. Most good breeders are proud to show off their dogs pedigree!
 

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How tall is Paris ? I noticed that Trigger is only 23 inches for a male. Hopefully Paris has some height on her so you don't have to worry about getting small standard's. Either way its ok, but if Paris is only 23 inches too then your going to get small standard's. You'll just have to breed out to a larger dog when you breed her puppy later to bring the size back.
 

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I been to but she is asking way too much for her puppies , I also looked over her dogs and I don't think they stayed that color I have emailed her and got no reply. I also read that she does not show in AKC or CKC because of the grooming. IMO that is a poor excuse not to show because she can pay a groomer to groom her dogs especially if she is charging 3k for them.

What I am finding that most of these Red breeders are posting pics of their dogs as pups and when they are young. I have not seen any passed 2 years or older with a red coat that stays.

I am going to be calling Terry Farley next week , I chatted with him through email and he seems so nice. I will see what he says about them fading.
 

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I guess I really lucked out with Casey...I know she doesn't have papers, which I am not sure I would do with anyway.

I don't plan to show her, so if she is not show quality then I don't care.

I don't plan to breed her, since I can't show her and will never know if she has qualities besides a great personality to pass on to her offspring.

I know I could have her tested enough to see if her body is physically sound enough...but if Chicky Chat is going to have such fabulous reds and apricots here in Indiana I see no reason to give her any competition!

Although if she keeps a male from her trigger litter I might be tempted to have her tested knowing there is a nice quality male within 300 miles from me that is RED with a RED background. Hmmmm I guess it would just make more sense to just save up my money and hope she has another litter from Trigger in the next couple of years, although a litter of red and apricots running around the house would be cute as heck!

I know that Casey is a bot orangey more than the deep red and she will likely lighten more with age. I just hope that she doesn't turn chocolate or silver beige like I have seen some 2 yr old dogs do that were supposed to be red! We have a rescue male that was dark red as a pup, then lightened to chocolate/silver beige now at 2 yrs old...wild. I never saw his parents, but the paperwork says they were both red...but I bet they were also young dogs that had not faded yet. To me its more about the personality, but if red is what you want then I totally understand when you are willing to search for one. We had to go all the way to TN to find a true red female toy poodle, and we paid out the nose and that was for just CKC papers! We didn't get her to breed or show, so AKC papers were not needed in our opinion, besides that would have cost us alot more! I understand that people don't want the bloodlines getting out and therefore charge more for fully registered dogs, but the difference was SO much it was a little like they were more looking for the money. Its not like she had pups for sale on spay/neuter contracts, just more money for "better" paperwork. If I would have gotten a spayed puppy along with limited AKC papers I would have paid her more, but she wasn't interested in doing that.

I know a long time ago there was someone in Indiana that had nice reds, and her males name was Tigger...if I can find out more about her dogs or if she is still breeding I will pm you the info. I know she sent me some pics of Tigger as like a 14 month old and he was RED RED RED...I can't even remember her name or other info, but I liked Tigger so much the name stuck in my mind. When I saw the name "Trigger" it made me think of him!
 
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