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I gooled Standard Poodles today for kicks and the third or fourth item down as a link to a large scale poodle breeder. They are selling parti's, phantoms and solids. They say they breed for healt, but there is no reference to actually doing healt screenings/testing on their dogs. Also, it looks like most of their bitches pictures have been altered to make the dog look slightly better.

I wish there was a way to mark these sites so that unsuspecting people will not be fooled by lies and deceit from these people who are out to make a buck.
 

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oh my gosh, on one page alone I counted 15, at $1500 a piece and again, that was only on one page. It's so sad that people like that prey on the uninformed.
 

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oh my gosh, on one page alone I counted 15, at $1500 a piece and again, that was only on one page. It's so sad that people like that prey on the uninformed.
To some point we have to believe that some ARE informed and chose to ignor it and encourage their "livelyhood". I hate to say that but it's true - we forget easily because the HVB's drive us nuts wacko: (I googled as I seen your post - a slow down the ofc)
 

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I don't know who you're talking about because searching from Canada brings up different breeders I think... But IMO, while the Internet is wonderful and has improved life in lots of ways, one thing I don't think it's helped with is connecting pup buyers with quality breeders. The best breeders don't necessarily show up on page one of your search (or sometimes on any pages of the search - some great breeders don't have websites!) I think it's a shame that often it's the high volume people who pay to show up high on the search results and give the impression that they're doing all the right things.

As Olie pointed out though, pup buyers should also be educating and informing themselves and not just leaping on the first poodle breeder they see. Once you know what you're looking for (and out for) it takes about 1 minute of visiting a website to determine if you're even interested in finding out more. Or at least, that's how long it takes me. :)

Unfortunately some or even many people just don't care. They SHOULD care, because paying $1500 for a pup from poor quality parents without health testing is just ridiculous, but they don't. Plus they don't want to wait. I will have waited almost a year from when I first decided I wanted a poodle to when I actually bring one home. Many people want things to happen a lot faster than that. And HVB always have a pup ready to go right now. It's a shame.
 

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Ok, I think I found it. Blech.... I love how it gives a tour of their "facility", which basically shows that their dogs live in kennels most of the time when not living in their whelping area. Yep, I bet those dogs have a great life. I also love how every puppy just about has the same description under it. Because the temperaments of them are all pretty much identical, so you might as well just pick the cutest and call it a day!
 

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Ok, I think I found it. Blech.... I love how it gives a tour of their "facility", which basically shows that their dogs live in kennels most of the time when not living in their whelping area. Yep, I bet those dogs have a great life. I also love how every puppy just about has the same description under it. Because the temperaments of them are all pretty much identical, so you might as well just pick the cutest and call it a day!
Yep, that's the one! My thoughts exactly! Besides who says "I'm only going to buy a puppy if it is doggie door trained!" :fish:


An if you look closely there are other parts of the dogs that are photo shoped.
 

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One of the reasons I think it's important to mention the actual names of the breeding facilities on forums, cause even thou it's just a site with multiple opinions... these threads do actually come up if you search a specific kennel name. (as you'll know if you've been here for a while)

I've searched many, many breeders and found some interesting theads regarding their operations.. and if someone on the thread has personal experience regarding a specific breeder you can totally view that as a review of the said kennel or breeding operation.
Just MO.:)
 

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I'll never understand how some people can buy a puppy online like it's a sweater or something. The idea of getting a dog pops into their head and an hour later they're "ordered" a living animal. I agree, in that way, the internet isn't such a great thing.

I will never forget an episode of the Dog Whisperer where this guy saw Paris Hilton w/ her chihuahua on tv, so he got online and "ordered" one. He spent more time dressing the dog than training her. While I give him credit for getting help and not dumping the dog b/c she didn't turn out to be a super tiny purse dog (the way his idol did to her precious Tinkerbelle), the way he got the dog just made my skin crawl.
 

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I dont even like ordering clothes online because sometimes what you think is your size in one store, is completly different in another LOL I think its that way with puppies too.

I will trust a responsible breeder's opinion on which of his/her pups would be a good fit for my family, but im not just going to click a paypal link and get a puppy shipped to me, thats crazy. I have heard of some mills and "breeders" doing a bait and switch as well where you think you are getting one pup, but they pawn off another instead.
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One of the reasons I think it's important to mention the actual names of the breeding facilities on forums, cause even thou it's just a site with multiple opinions... these threads do actually come up if you search a specific kennel name. (as you'll know if you've been here for a while)

I've searched many, many breeders and found some interesting theads regarding their operations.. and if someone on the thread has personal experience regarding a specific breeder you can totally view that as a review of the said kennel or breeding operation.
Just MO.:)
I was hesitant to list it, but the the website is to Smith Poodles in Arkansas. My opinions are from viewing the website only, I don't have personal experience with them!
 

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I was hesitant to list it, but the the website is to Smith Poodles in Arkansas. My opinions are from viewing the website only, I don't have personal experience with them!
When I was searching for my poodle princess, my husband's boss suggested we check out the two breeders from whom she bought her two standard poodles (one was in Montana, the other was in Minnesota)

In conversations/correspondence with the Minnesota breeder, I found out that at least one of her breeding dogs came from Smith Poodles (and she was PROUD of that fact) :scared: Well, of course I went to investigate Smith Poodles (at least investigate their website - I never contacted them personally) and was totally turned off by what I found.

During my contact with the Minnesota breeder, she shared that her bitch (who was always bred to the same stud and once a year or less) would have 5 - 8 puppies in a litter, but only 3 or 4 of the puppies would survive, if that :wacko: WTH is up with that??? She was selling her solid puppies for something like $900 and the parti ones for around $1,500!!! She really seemed like a lovely "person" on the phone, but a horrible "breeder" in any context!! I'm not sure if there was something terribly wrong with the match of bitch to stud that caused such a high mortality rate for her or what - but it wasn't a good thing!

OK... that's the extent of my coat-tail knowledge of Smith Poodles...
 

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We have a breeder here in Ontario who has come up in some threads in the past who have 41 puppies available right now, with two more litters being announced. One red girl who is available is from a Mom of a more current litter available. RIDICULOUS!!!

I am going to peruse Smith Poodles site, and will likely be back spouting off about it.
 

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Most of the pups listed in the solid colored for sale page are sick some are so off type they don't even look like standard poodles to me.

I am also OMG and WTF at he photoshoping of the tails of most of the adults. SMH what is wrong with people ?
 

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When I was searching for my poodle princess, my husband's boss suggested we check out the two breeders from whom she bought her two standard poodles (one was in Montana, the other was in Minnesota)

In conversations/correspondence with the Minnesota breeder, I found out that at least one of her breeding dogs came from Smith Poodles (and she was PROUD of that fact) :scared: Well, of course I went to investigate Smith Poodles (at least investigate their website - I never contacted them personally) and was totally turned off by what I found.

During my contact with the Minnesota breeder, she shared that her bitch (who was always bred to the same stud and once a year or less) would have 5 - 8 puppies in a litter, but only 3 or 4 of the puppies would survive, if that :wacko: WTH is up with that??? She was selling her solid puppies for something like $900 and the parti ones for around $1,500!!! She really seemed like a lovely "person" on the phone, but a horrible "breeder" in any context!! I'm not sure if there was something terribly wrong with the match of bitch to stud that caused such a high mortality rate for her or what - but it wasn't a good thing!

OK... that's the extent of my coat-tail knowledge of Smith Poodles...
I believe that the high death rate of the puppies would indicate a high probability of Neonatal Encephalopathy. More experienced people, please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Whats also sad is that the majority of the other high volume breeders are all connected to one another so the lines are crossed over and over and things start to get ugly inside and out.

I have been able to connect over 15 BYB and HVB kennels on accident, just looking through kennel ad sites (mixed in with the good ones) and searching the net.

Its like 15 degrees of separation in a bad way.
 

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It is quite sickening and it makes it difficult for some of the low volume breeders to place their pups. Their niche is that whenever someone wants a puppy, they have them. If someone calls me now for a pup, and I tell them we will be having a litter in August, ready to go in October, 80% do not want to wait. They want a puppy yesterday, so then they start looking around, and find people like we are talking about here.
 

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If someone calls me now for a pup, and I tell them we will be having a litter in August, ready to go in October, 80% do not want to wait. They want a puppy yesterday, so then they start looking around, and find people like we are talking about here.
I'm so glad I was able to wait for my Lucybug!! It's very true that "good things come to those who wait"!!! I wish more people would understand that and not jump into a bad situation and help perpetuate the breeding programs of these questionable "breeders"... :fish:
 
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