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I LOVE their dogs, I LOVE their breeding program and I want want WANT a puppy from them!! They seem like awesome breeders, they work/play with their dogs, they show their dogs, they do extensive health testing... am I missing anything, or are they pretty much perfect?

Dark Red, Silver, White, Blue Hunting Poodles


Perhaps in a few years time I'll head out to Utah and pick up a pup!!
 

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Wow, lol, I had no idea there was a hunting poodle breeder here in utah! I'm going to have to email them some questions.

(About hunting, I'm not looking for another puppy!)
 

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unless there are some diseases ((I didn't check PHR)) in their lines I don't think you missed anything
they seem to do what everyone wants in a good breeder. Showing, hunting, all the health tests ect

not to mention the pretty dogs
 

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Turns out they have bred and have more plans on breeding a dog that has produced pups with DM. Not okay in my books.
 

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can you tell me which dog it is? because all the testing I'm seeing says DM Clear
I just want to make sure I'm not reading anything wrong, or if I haven't seen that one yet
 

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has he produced pups with it or pups that were carriers for it?

because from what I'm reading about DM its like VWD if one parent is clear and the other is a carrier the pups may be carriers
because Triggers DM test is normal

OFA: Display OFA Records

if I'm understanding this wrong can someone explain it to me further?
 

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If im doing my math right, he was bred at pretty much a year old according to his offsprings birthdate on OFA. I know he is cardiac clear, but didnt he sire chickychats litter with two heart problem puppies?
 

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Hunting Poodles

Sorry, do not know the Harmony Mounting People or their Dogs.

I do know Angie at Louters and am copying her latest brag and news

News from Louter Creek Hunting Poodles

"Cooper" achieved his (UKC) Hunting Retriever Championship and is the FIRST RED HRCH Standard Poodle, 9th Standard Poodle in history! He is now...
HRCH Southern Standards Red Creole SH WCX

He achieved his last Q leg needed for his (AKC) Senior Title at the MTARC on May 23, 2010 and earned his First Master Q leg first time out the day before!


"Layla" also achieved another Senior Q leg and is now half way to her Senior Title.

We will be breeding a litter in the fall, serious inquirers are welcomed.

Angie & Rich Louter
Louter Creek Hunting Poodles
Preserving The "Standard" In The Field

They are in Georgia.

Tabatha
NOLA Standards
 

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It is am absolute lie that Trigger has produced a pup with DM (none of my dogs have as I test for that). Trigger is DNA clear for this disease so it is impossible for him to produce a dog that has it.

If there were a genetic issue with any of my dogs, I would be well aware of it (and most likely, so would all owners of Harmony Mountain poodles) because not only do I stand behind my dogs by offering an all-inclusive genetic health guarantee, but I have a Yahoo group available to each and every Harmony Mountain poodle owner.

This lie is not in the spirit of this group. As I joined today, I checked a box stating that I would not send hateful posts. How is lying about someone and their dogs not hateful? It is disappointing to join and then immediately read something so wrong about me and my very loveable and wonderful, Trigger.

I am a believer in turning the other cheek, but I have my limits. This is absolute slander and something I won't tolerate again from you.

Lori Horst
Harmony Mountain Hunting Pudels
Dark Red, Silver, White, Blue Hunting Poodles
 

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Again, I don't know who you are, but Trigger did produce ONE pup with Paris (Lucky Poodles) with a heart problem. I took him to a "cardiac specialist" (not a "practitioner") the very next week and his heart was normal. He has not produced any other pups with a heart problem.

As a responsible breeder, I have contacted the woman who owns the pup with the heart problem asking her to post on PHR (that hasn't occurred to my knowledge).

As for breeding, I will not breed a dog until all testing is complete and there are tests that will not be accepted by OFA until the dog is at least a year old. I don't remember his exact age at first breeding, but I know it was sometime after his first birthday because he was CHIC'd.

Again, disappointing that I join and find now two lies spoken about my dog within just a couple of hours of joining the forum.

This forum should be about sharing and caring about one another, not land blasting without proof.
 

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Again, I don't know who you are, but Trigger did produce ONE pup with Paris (Lucky Poodles) with a heart problem. I took him to a "cardiac specialist" (not a "practitioner") the very next week and his heart was normal. He has not produced any other pups with a heart problem.

As a responsible breeder, I have contacted the woman who owns the pup with the heart problem asking her to post on PHR (that hasn't occurred to my knowledge).

As for breeding, I will not breed a dog until all testing is complete and there are tests that will not be accepted by OFA until the dog is at least a year old. I don't remember his exact age at first breeding, but I know it was sometime after his first birthday because he was CHIC'd.

Again, disappointing that I join and find now two lies spoken about my dog within just a couple of hours of joining the forum.

This forum should be about sharing and caring about one another, not land blasting without proof.
I'm sooooooo glad you joined and clarified things. I've gotten so tired of the breeder bashing threads that I'm getting ready to move on to another forum. I'm too busy training my 2 Spoos for their JH to read this stuff anymore. Cheers.
 

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Too bad you don't live closer as Rich loves to train with others. There is always so much we can learn from each other by sharing in a positive way. Good luck with your training and tests!
 

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I don't think Locket meant any malice behind the DM thing
perhaps she was given misinformation?
 

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Thanks for telling me that, Keith. I have always been a turn-the-cheek person, but Rich and I work so hard at trying to do the right things with and for our dogs and poodles in general (this even includes trying to be helpful not only to those who purchase our pups, but to others as well). I didn't expect to join a group and immediately have to defend our kennel.

It is a real disappointment. Locket, whoever you are, I am not mad at you and hope to quickly move beyond the mistruths spoken about Trigger.
 

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Lori, thankyou for coming on and clearing some things up. Could you please explain why you bred Trigger when he was only a year old? How come you didnt wait until his hips were done at 2? Thanks.
 

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Thanks for clearing this up. I was given this information, and should have researched it further before jumping to conclusions. Sorry for the misinformation.
 
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