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Well I can see not allowing people to meet a litter that is less than 4 weeks old. Momma dogs do get protective of their babies, and introducing strangers to the momma + young babies would not be a good idea. But what do you mean by "momma dog with a previous litter"? If it is a previous litter (not the litter you would be getting a puppy from), you do not need to meet that momma dog. But you do want to meet the momma of the litter you are interested in, either before the pups are born, or after they are about 4 weeks old.

Getting a puppy from a momma who has a wonderful stable temperament -- one who is not easily stressed out -- is extremely important. Mommas pass their temperaments along to the puppies in two ways: (1) genetics and (2) by taking good care of them (the breeder and the momma dog together provide the puppies with a safe, secure and happy environment). I think you are wise to be cautious.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was a matter of miscommunication because the correspondence was over email. However, when I asked them what the process was, they did not mention meeting parents or any sort of contract. They just mentioned putting a deposit down and when I eagerly said I can come as soon as possible to put a deposit down in person, I was told this wasn't possible because it would stress out a momma dog they had in their house.

I can respect their reasons 100% but I did not feel comfortable sending a deposit to someone I don't know without too much information.

Hopefully, other people have better luck with them.
 

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I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was a matter of miscommunication because the correspondence was over email. However, when I asked them what the process was, they did not mention meeting parents or any sort of contract. They just mentioned putting a deposit down and when I eagerly said I can come as soon as possible to put a deposit down in person, I was told this wasn't possible because it would stress out a momma dog they had in their house.

I can respect their reasons 100% but I did not feel comfortable sending a deposit to someone I don't know without too much information.

Hopefully, other people have better luck with them.
i think you dodged a bullet here. Their website had potential to pursue but when you don’t even know the parents and they refuse to set up a reasonable date to see the puppies when they are old enough for visitors or a bitch early in the pregnancy; that’s a huge red flag.
 

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I had similar issues with them about 2 years ago. I had quite a long e-mail exchange with them (about 15-20 e-mails, though she was giving short 1 or 2 sentence replies) with all my questions being answered by the book and I was feeling satisfied. Then, when I asked if I could visit the puppy parents before giving my payment, they rejected me because of recently newborn puppies. Somehow (I don't remember how, sorry) it ended up turning into them being born in 2 weeks soon after. I asked them, "But didn't you say the puppies were already born?" and they reminded me that I should make a payment to get on the wait list as they have very few spots left. This was the first puppy breeder I contacted, so I ignored that red flag and tried to compromise by asking if I could see the parents a couple of weeks or a week before the puppies are given away, because I don't feel comfortable paying for the puppies otherwise. They rejected me again while still reminding me that there's not much time to leave a payment. I decided this specific litter wasn't for me, so I told them I'll wait for the next litter, and if I could see the puppy parents sometime after the puppies are given away. They rejected me yet again, saying some bull about the doggy parents being exhausted and having depression from the puppies leaving that will last a few weeks. But, once again, I was reminded that I can leave a payment on the next litter and that I will have first dibs. At that point the red flag became obvious enough for me, and I started thinking they just purchase the puppies from somewhere else and resell them. I'm glad to see someone else had a weird experience with them and that I didn't overreact.

I wasn't given any proof of health records of the parents, the grandparents, and information about the line.

The only time I was allowed to come was only if I paid first, and it was for a puppy meet and greet with the mom there as well. (Edit: I originally put that the parents wouldn't be there, but I think I remembered wrong.)
 

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The only time I was allowed to come was only if I paid first, and it was for a puppy meet and greet with the mom there as well. (Edit: I originally put that the parents wouldn't be there, but I think I remembered wrong.)
I can totally see the breeder not following through with having the mother there. This actually happened when my family got our first dog (way back in the 90s). Saw the puppy, but not the mom, a few weeks after she was born. When we picked her up at 10 weeks, again no mom. I don't remember what the excuses were and I also don't think we saw pictures of the parents.
 

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I think all said and done. They could very well be good and produce nice pups but as a consumer we have choices. We all have an idea of what we expect and want in a purchase agreement and when unsure or not fully comfortable we should go with our gut feelings.
 

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Any breeder I work with would give me health records (OFA) back 3 generations, and allow me to meet the parents and grandparents. I can see if the father wasn't there as much is done by artificial insemination. I would want pedigree, titles, etc.

You can tell a lot about the temperament of the puppy by meeting the mother.
As well as seeing the location the puppies are bred in.

There site doesn't provide enough information at all. Very suspicious.

Here is an old thread on safely choosing a well bred poodle puppy and a breeder:
https://www.poodleforum.com/5-poodle-talk/33522-buying-puppy-safely-basics.html
 

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I'm sorry but my first question that pops into my mind everything I read about this breeder is, "Why are they breeding from dogs with such fragile nerves?" I am not being unreasonable. I have worked in kennels of both large & small breeds. I have worked for breeders, trained for breeders. Any of them I ever heard give this kind of nonsense answer were doing so because they didn't want to deal with people or they had something to hide. If it was the 2nd, I didn't work for them for long.

I hope that is not the case & that this breeder is really good however a litter of puppies needs to be weaned before the puppies leave for their new homes. By that time the Dam is generally very mentally fit to see people. She may not like to be handled by strangers & that is fine but she should be able to handle someone visiting. And the sire of the litter may be a good sport & play with his pups or tolerate them but it's rare to find a stud who 'mothers' pups enough to be too stressed to meet his puppies' new families. Quite frankly a lot of sires & dams are happy to see the little belly biters go! I would have to question do these adult dogs get human socialization or are they latch key where they only handle their humans comings & goings? Is that why mommy & daddy are so nervous or upset by visitors? Again, I would not want a puppy from parents with that kind of issue.

While searching for my Standard Poodle pup, I ran into some of the most bizarre things. I have added a few more red flag indicators to my list.
 

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I decided this specific litter wasn't for me, so I told them I'll wait for the next litter, and if I could see the puppy parents sometime after the puppies are given away. They rejected me yet again, saying some bull about the doggy parents being exhausted and having depression from the puppies leaving that will last a few weeks. But, once again, I was reminded that I can leave a payment on the next litter and that I will have first dibs.
Hello again. Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I just wanted to correct this part I posted. I was deleting old e-mails and found I still had the e-mails when I was looking for a dog. The above quote happened with a different breeder and it was for a Bichon (the rest of the original quote doesn't need correcting). The way it ended with Adanac had no mention from me of visiting the dogs after. I'm ashamed I spread misinformation. I was absolutely sure it happened with Adanac, but I guess 2 years can mix up information.
 
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