If the owner calls you, short window on that, and says the dog is too much then you can consider it a rescue but you must not spend a dime to buy her. The owner already spend the $$$$ dime. It sounds like you could figure this girl out, make it work, maybe be an amazing team. Otherwise, there are a few Moyen breeders and plenty of fantastic standard and mini breeders as solace.
A Poodle & 3 doodles
I made a trip to Petco yesterday. I spent a couple of hours making friends with a Standard Poodle & his new owners (a Mom & daughter). We really hit it off & I must admit, their cutie pie gave me Standard Poodle fever. He was a Moyen & just adorable silver & white parti colored. I met a couple of golden doodles & oh boy, well I have to tell you this is why I am not in a fan of the doodle craze. The first owners I just felt sorry for. You can tell they are way out of their element with their dog. The dog is 2 & is just a bouncing, ball of barely contained excitement. They came over to me when they heard me talking to the Standard Poodle's owners & asked what it would take to get their dog calm. (Yikes). Next was another doodle which was well behaved but the owners told us he has zero off switch. They love him & they've developed coping strategies to keep him exercised. I love that they've trained him to a treadmill, they take him swimming, they are just awesome owners even if they did get more than they bargained for. You see they have always had Golden Retrievers but she developed an allergy to their last dog & were hoping the doodle part would help with her allergies. She said it was better than with their. I paid for my stuff & left the store wondering why oh why are people so wild about doodles. (I don't say this to offend anyone out there who has/loves doodles it's just that I haven't seen great things from the crosses with the exceptions of some Shih Tzu x Poodle crosses).
So as I made my way toward my car I hear a ruckus. There is a big... huge pile of hair giving a human a hard time. The guy at the end of the leash is really struggling. I called out, "is he friendly?" The guy said, "I... I don't know." So I made my way toward said pile of hair & as I got closer I asked for permission to engage the dog. The guy gave it & warned that he'd brought the pup (yes, that big mound of dog is a puppy) to town to try to socialize. The human freaked out because the pup kept trying to drag him toward me in the store & the man didn't know if the pup was friendly or not. This puppy is a Great Pyrenees x Standard Poodle cross & it glares holes through most people. Okie dokey, now we're in my ball park. I've had experience with livestock guardians so I explained that it's not normal for a Pyr to just adore strangers so it's important to do what he's doing to socialize. I wish I'd known in the store that the pup was trying to engage me rather than out in a semi-dark parkinglot. I offered to take my chances & next thing you know I'm on the sidewalk, the pup is in my lap, on its back, washing my face. Now this wasn't done in a hyper excited way. This was as if the pup & I have known each other for a lifetime except, I've never seen a Pyredoodle in my life & the 'he' is a 'she'. It's possible I'm in love with this pup.
We talked. I worked with the human & pup & answered a lot of questions. This pup may well be up for a new home. This man was told this pup was going to be a medium sized dog but Pyr x Poodle... not going to be small. The paws are HUGE. She was very calm when I had the leash. Typical guardian, wrapped herself around me & just chilled out so long as the head was in my lap but when one of the workers came out of the store, she was on her feet & giving a grrrrrrr woof... Hmmm, that's interesting to me. I asked the owner for permission & got the Petco worker to help & we practiced meeting a nice stranger & gave the pup a code word for meeting nice people. Oh this pup is smart. The owner took my name, phone number, email address and asked if I could take her if he couldn't keep her. I told him to notify me immediately if he had to give her up or can't handle her safely (I can NOT believe I said that) but there it is. I told him in the event that he couldn't keep her I would give him my word to train with her & either keep her myself or find her a forever home with someone I would trust. I will not allow her to go to a shelter or end up in a dogfighter's hands. I helped him load her in the car.
There is the possibility that my husband will have me in the looney bin as I don't do this sort of thing... e-v-e-r. There is the possibility that my dog friends will help him have me committed because it's a doodle & I'm not a doodle advocate (please, this is not said to offend anyone out there who loves their golden doodle or labradoodle I simply have not seen good things out of the crosses as a trainer). What a mess but there it is. I'm hopeful the guy will simply let me assist him but I'm a person of my word so if he dumps her, it'll be in my lap. :ahhhhh: What have I done?????
So as I made my way toward my car I hear a ruckus. There is a big... huge pile of hair giving a human a hard time. The guy at the end of the leash is really struggling. I called out, "is he friendly?" The guy said, "I... I don't know." So I made my way toward said pile of hair & as I got closer I asked for permission to engage the dog. The guy gave it & warned that he'd brought the pup (yes, that big mound of dog is a puppy) to town to try to socialize. The human freaked out because the pup kept trying to drag him toward me in the store & the man didn't know if the pup was friendly or not. This puppy is a Great Pyrenees x Standard Poodle cross & it glares holes through most people. Okie dokey, now we're in my ball park. I've had experience with livestock guardians so I explained that it's not normal for a Pyr to just adore strangers so it's important to do what he's doing to socialize. I wish I'd known in the store that the pup was trying to engage me rather than out in a semi-dark parkinglot. I offered to take my chances & next thing you know I'm on the sidewalk, the pup is in my lap, on its back, washing my face. Now this wasn't done in a hyper excited way. This was as if the pup & I have known each other for a lifetime except, I've never seen a Pyredoodle in my life & the 'he' is a 'she'. It's possible I'm in love with this pup.
We talked. I worked with the human & pup & answered a lot of questions. This pup may well be up for a new home. This man was told this pup was going to be a medium sized dog but Pyr x Poodle... not going to be small. The paws are HUGE. She was very calm when I had the leash. Typical guardian, wrapped herself around me & just chilled out so long as the head was in my lap but when one of the workers came out of the store, she was on her feet & giving a grrrrrrr woof... Hmmm, that's interesting to me. I asked the owner for permission & got the Petco worker to help & we practiced meeting a nice stranger & gave the pup a code word for meeting nice people. Oh this pup is smart. The owner took my name, phone number, email address and asked if I could take her if he couldn't keep her. I told him to notify me immediately if he had to give her up or can't handle her safely (I can NOT believe I said that) but there it is. I told him in the event that he couldn't keep her I would give him my word to train with her & either keep her myself or find her a forever home with someone I would trust. I will not allow her to go to a shelter or end up in a dogfighter's hands. I helped him load her in the car.
There is the possibility that my husband will have me in the looney bin as I don't do this sort of thing... e-v-e-r. There is the possibility that my dog friends will help him have me committed because it's a doodle & I'm not a doodle advocate (please, this is not said to offend anyone out there who loves their golden doodle or labradoodle I simply have not seen good things out of the crosses as a trainer). What a mess but there it is. I'm hopeful the guy will simply let me assist him but I'm a person of my word so if he dumps her, it'll be in my lap. :ahhhhh: What have I done?????
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Whoopsy daisy-- yur innit now! But is that such a bad thing? I believe that's called serendipity! One thing is certain, you are an awesome community member. Thanks for helping out other dogs and their peeps.
All of my dog training is in my going to their home. I think this is what would work with this pup. Go to the home and check out the situation. If the dog is kept in a kennel or crate all day it is no wonder she is hyper. I would address the most obvious problem and go from there.
Dog must sit nicely at the door while it is being opened and wait for "out". This is done off leash with a hand and treat. Have the owner keep moving out of the room, then back to the door and reward puppy for sitting in the right spot. This establishes the owner as "alpha" and teaches the puppy proper door manners. it seems like a small matter, but she will quickly learn to go sit at the door when she needs to go potty.
See what she is fed and make suggestions.
Suggest that every day the owner or spouse spend a couple of minutes with a comb and brush on the dog, expecting her to stay still. Treat.
Helping this fellow train his dog makes you a professional and there is no reason for you not to charge a fee. In fact, charging a fee makes people take you seriously.
Dog must sit nicely at the door while it is being opened and wait for "out". This is done off leash with a hand and treat. Have the owner keep moving out of the room, then back to the door and reward puppy for sitting in the right spot. This establishes the owner as "alpha" and teaches the puppy proper door manners. it seems like a small matter, but she will quickly learn to go sit at the door when she needs to go potty.
See what she is fed and make suggestions.
Suggest that every day the owner or spouse spend a couple of minutes with a comb and brush on the dog, expecting her to stay still. Treat.
Helping this fellow train his dog makes you a professional and there is no reason for you not to charge a fee. In fact, charging a fee makes people take you seriously.
Whoopsy daisy-- yur innit now! But is that such a bad thing? I believe that's called serendipity! One thing is certain, you are an awesome community member. Thanks for helping out other dogs and their peeps.
Thank you. For a lot of years I was a hot shot trainer with a lot on my plate & not a ton of time but I got into training dogs for people because I had a pro trainer (I use that term lightly) who said my dog wasn't good enough. That burned my biscuits. Look not all dogs are going to be great search dogs or guardians or agility dogs but most dogs can be good pets (barring mental problems or health issues). I try never to impose on anyone but if they are open to help, I give it freely. There are a lot of dogs that need help with their humans. Lots of humans that don't understand their dogs. Sometimes they both need a translator
Mfmst, yes, I would not give any money to doodlers. Just can not, will not do it. It's not like me to offer to take a dog like this but as Newport aptly points out, I'm in it. I can't let that pup end up in the pound or end up euthanized because some bonehead got doodle fever.
Go for it! Great Pyrenees are awesome dogs and mixed with a poodle???You can't go wrong. LOL! Seriously, I bet you could do wonders with this dog.
I must say though, that I've met several Labradoodles and Goldendoodles that were very nice dogs. I think a good deal of the problems seen are that a lot of novice dog owners get these dogs for the wrong reasons, the gimmicky reasons and they don't train them very well. But other people have some good reasons why they think these dogs will be just right for them. Most likely are bred from not the greatest breeding and so they may come with not so great temperaments. But my experience is that they're not bad at all when in the right hands. Big, goofy puppies are not easy if left to grow big before they get any real training and I think that's often the case.
Anyhow, I hope you get this dog and train him up to be a great pet for someone...maybe even you. I'd have a hard time putting time and love into a dog, then giving it up. Ummm....do I sense a foster fail in the future? lol.
I must say though, that I've met several Labradoodles and Goldendoodles that were very nice dogs. I think a good deal of the problems seen are that a lot of novice dog owners get these dogs for the wrong reasons, the gimmicky reasons and they don't train them very well. But other people have some good reasons why they think these dogs will be just right for them. Most likely are bred from not the greatest breeding and so they may come with not so great temperaments. But my experience is that they're not bad at all when in the right hands. Big, goofy puppies are not easy if left to grow big before they get any real training and I think that's often the case.
Anyhow, I hope you get this dog and train him up to be a great pet for someone...maybe even you. I'd have a hard time putting time and love into a dog, then giving it up. Ummm....do I sense a foster fail in the future? lol.
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