Poodle Forum banner
1 - 13 of 13 Posts

Registered
Joined
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
Hi. So wonderful to find this forum.... and my apology in advance that this is a long post.
I badly need some advice, and very much hope you are able to assist with a gorgeous dog with 100% poodle brain .... and an iffy parentage 馃様

First can I say that Kiki is an adorable 18 week old pup who came to me at 11 weeks as a rescued puppy farm throw out..... starved, and very fearful... as I have cared for rescues for over 4 decades and mainly specialise in blind dogs (you can check me out at blinddogsenabled.com)

Anyway, I am seeking some advice as, although she is theoretically crossed with a spaniel, Kiki does not think like aa spaniel at all and is the only dog I have ever had who could not care less about high value treats or special toys in training! ..... and I have been training even blind dogs to recall, for 40 years!
Help.

Don't get me wrong, she is doing brilliantly in the house and garden.....we have nailed the basics including recall.... but once into the fields she could not care less about anything I have if something else is more interesting. She will return once to see if the high value treat is worth the trouble, and in her view it never is!!
I have used everything from cheese to liver cake, sprats to beef chunks. She just doesn't care.
Toys get the same response.

Very much hoping an experienced head can help with some training tips on how to motivate a dog who just doesn't care whats on offer when the big wide world is so much fun.
Thank you in advance for accepting a non "purist" query, and for any tips x
P.S
I know I could just use a longline or extending lead, but recall is a basic for me, and the first thing I teach puppies as my dogs run free daily Somehow I have to find a way to teach her.
 

Premium Member
Joined
15,359 Posts
Welcome - lucky Kiki to have found you!

I suspect with your considerable experience you will already have tried all the obvious and most of the non obvious things. I wonder if a really exciting toy like a flirt pole might help? Especially if it is combined with a smelly food reward when she catches it. Or perhaps a game of scent trail to grab that spaniel nose with a jackpot at the end when she finds you. And then send her off to run and play again, of course, so that recall is not associated with the end of fun.

I sympathise - Freddy, the near-perfect-pup, learnt the joy of keep away at about the age Kiki is now. Like you I mostly walk my dogs off leash. I had Freddy trail a 6' line for a while, which is a risk but was manageable with close attention, and I upped the value of the treats and called all the dogs for regular check ins. To get past his trick of grabbing the chicken and dashing off I gave him a scrap in my left hand on condition he let me touch his collar with my right. He now accepts the lead 90%+ of the time - only at the end of particularly lovely walks does he make it very clear that he is not yet ready to go home. If possible we walk a little further which is often enough to satisfy him, otherwise I meanly take advantage of his sociable nature and ask the nearest human to tickle him behind the ear and hook a finger in his collar.
 

Registered
poodle
Joined
113 Posts
Ah , one of those , my non poodle couldn鈥檛 care less about treats either , never did , he went to dogs trust for puppy training , and they said 鈥h he will like sausage , nope he didn鈥檛 . They said they had never come across such a distracted puppy .
Not a lot of help , he came back because our other dog would , or we kept her on a lead , so he stayed close .
His recall isn鈥檛 bad , unless something really interests him, then sudden and acute deafness strikes .
Poodle puppy mutt , likes some treats , like barker and barker liver , or fish , or pedigree puppy treats . I got him coming back (6 months old now, and expecting wilful stage soon ) by blowing a whistle in the house and giving very exciting cuddles, play time , or cheese when he came bouncing through . He is totally uninterested in most food at the moment , even gone off raw 鈥arn dog !
My other dog loves squeaky things , but only in the house or garden , so yes , been there, still there , have you tried hiding out of sight ?
In some ways it鈥檚 hardly surprising , a puppy farm rescue , let loose 鈥.yeah !
sounds like you are doing well to be honest , all the best , but maybe a friend with a dog if you haven鈥檛 other dogs , that she likes and will come back with


ah , just been on your site 鈥ou have quite a few dogs , I don鈥檛 suppose yoking two dogs together would work , not fair on the non sighted dog , stumped , let鈥檚 hope wiser heads come along
 

Registered
Joined
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Had to smile when I read this!
Are we talking about the same dog!!
Yes I do have several other dogs, and walk them together.... the sight issues are no issue when it comes to running free.... my spaniel is the faster thing on 4 paws in a field, if told it is safe to run, and my old girl happily did really long distance recalls.
Kiki couldn't care less.
Like your boy, she is not always over bothered by meals either.
Early stage teaching with all the usuals is fine but once we are out of the gate I could turn myself upside down with enthusiastic praise.... while emptying pockets of assorted treats that have had proven value.... and whistling Dixie while I do it.
Kiki could not care less.

However, I am more stubborn that any dog I have met yet so refuse to be defeated by this pup!
There must be a way to engage that works with the couldnt care less brigade.
As you say.... hopefully someone here can help 馃
 

Registered
Joined
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Sorry everyone.... I can't seem to work how to reply and have it show who I am replying to.
Thank you for the pole advice.... not sure if it will attract her outside, but its worth a shot.
Slightly worried that if I play hide and seek she may just head for home, which she has done once when other barking dogs upset her.
Maybe time to book a training field somewhere, though I do resent it given that I live in the middle of walking country 馃檮
 

Administrator
Joined
14,844 Posts
I feel like your answer is in your question: 鈥淪he will return once.鈥

That鈥檚 it! Training session done! Hurrah! Brilliant Kiki! Time for all the running and playing and exploring.

At that age, Peggy could typically tolerate a single repetition. And no treat in the world was more exciting than play time. Imagine a 5-year-old in a bouncy castle. Are they going to want to leave their friends and stop bouncing to eat a McDonald鈥檚 hamburger? No way. Ice cream? Nah. Getting their attention and a cursory glance would be a feat, and getting them to actually remove themselves from the fun and say hi before running back to bounce would be a brilliant accomplishment for you and for them. Celebrate by joining them in the castle for a bounce!
 

Administrator
Joined
14,844 Posts
Thinking back to that age more, the most reinforcing thing we did for Peggy鈥檚 recall was to stand a distance apart and take turns excitedly calling her. Yes, we had soft, small, easy-to-gulp treats. But the thrill was more in the racing back and forth between us. Sometimes we would stand at opposite ends of the house. Sometimes opposite ends of a field. Sometimes just 15 feet apart on the driveway. We could play anywhere.

Three years later, we still play this game. And Peggy still trips over her own feet in her joyous haste.

If my poodle has taught me anything, it鈥檚 that everything can be a game. And life is so much more fun thanks to her. :)
 

Premium Member
Joined
7,502 Posts
Sorry everyone.... I can't seem to work how to reply and have it show who I am replying to.
Using Reply, at the bottom of the individual post you want to specifically reply to, will copy/quote that entire post only in yours. You can edit to just the relevant portion, if you like.

Font Screenshot Electronic device Software Multimedia


You can also highlight a specific portion and a popup box will appear under that offering the choice of Quote (for multiples) of Reply (that selection only).
Sky Font Electronic device Rectangle Display device



It's confusing because Quote and Reply function almost exactly the same. I use Quote to add multiple responses in one message or to add selected portions of one or more responses. I use Reply less often.

---

Quoting

There are two ways to add quotes. Each of them will collect however many quotes you want to add.
You can highlight just a portion and the "Quote/Reply" option will appear under that portion

Font Screenshot Rectangle Electronic device Multimedia



or you can select the "Quote" at the bottom of the individual post if you want to have the entire message quoted.

Screenshot Font Software Multimedia Rectangle



Each time you select "Quote" this message appears at the top of the page briefly
Font Screenshot Technology Software Multimedia




After you've added all of the highlighted portions or complete posts you want, scroll down and you'll see the option to insert the quote/s.
Font Screenshot Multimedia Software Electronic device



This window will pop up
Font Screenshot Software Electronic device Multimedia



Add all by selecting "Quote Messages" or delete any first if you want. They will appear in the Text box and you're set.
Font Screenshot Software Multimedia Electronic device
 

Registered
Joined
4,551 Posts
It's possible she is not yet sufficiently accustomed and bonded in her new life, and is a bit overwhelmed. For now, I would use a long lead and just give her time. The Poodle part of her may be liable have a different timetable for maturing from other breeds. As said, a recall to you is just a lull in the action, and she can go back to the fun.

Kiki is so very fortunate to have landed with you!!
 

Registered
Joined
427 Posts
f my poodle has taught me anything, it鈥檚 that everything can be a game.
Yes! There are times when I'm walking Kukla that he acts as if I don't exist and starts trying to pull me every which way. That's when I know I have to become fun to him. I'll talk in a high-pitched cheery manner and start making multiple changes in direction. Suddenly he thinks he's playing a game with me. He switches from completely ignoring me to becoming fully engaged.

As PeggyTheParti said, making recall a game will likely help.
 

Registered
poodle
Joined
113 Posts
Thinking back to that age more, the most reinforcing thing we did for Peggy鈥檚 recall was to stand a distance apart and take turns excitedly calling her. Yes, we had soft, small, easy-to-gulp treats. But the thrill was more in the racing back and forth between us. Sometimes we would stand at opposite ends of the house. Sometimes opposite ends of a field. Sometimes just 15 feet apart on the driveway. We could play anywhere.

Three years later, we still play this game. And Peggy still trips over her own feet in her joyous haste.

If my poodle has taught me anything, it鈥檚 that everything can be a game. And life is so much more fun thanks to her. :)
we play this as well , partly to exercise the pair , plus they seem to find it great fun , with the poodle mutt , ( he looks such a mutt at the moment !) I am careful to avoid anywhere that seems to have rabbit holes , as he is so excited and as you say trips over his own feet . In fact he doesn鈥檛 take much care of his spindly legs at all , doesn鈥檛 seem to know their length
 
1 - 13 of 13 Posts
Top