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Old 09-23-2009, 07:11 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lighten up folks...Boy if we humans had to breed to the standards you all want then god wouldn't have anybody left.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Lighten up folks...Boy if we humans had to breed to the standards you all want then god wouldn't have anybody left.
Well I don't get what god has to do with this.

They are breeding them big, not god. They are choosing who to breed together so they can get bigger dogs.

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And to clarify, I do not think that a puppy in a litter that is born bigger then normal or "royal" should be culled, but definitely not used in breeding unless the breeder intends to use a smaller bitch/stud to balance it out. Even then a lot of research into both of the pedigrees should be examined in order to make the decision. If not, they should be spayed/neutered and live their life as a lovely pet.

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Absolutely !!!! As soon as I see somebody marketing a "fad" , I cringe, but it is just me

I also am absolutely against culling the pups for any reason except if puppy is so deformed that it is incompatible with life. My first spoo had a white marking on his chest and was not show dog, that is for sure !!! I loved him to death and to this day he is the most perfect dog I ever had or knew - now was he to be bred !??? I do not think so !

I absolutely agree that anybody who is breeding for size, color and any other "popular" combo at the given time and is not doing any health testing, or taking care of the temperament component - is breeding solely for profit !!!! And that is WRONG ! Royals can have structural problems and also are more prone to bloat : (((. If one puppy in the litter happens to be a "royal" size (which would be really very rare with excellent breeder who examines lines to the finest detail and plans breeding carefully), than of course, that pup is going to have parents that were checked for genetic disorders and OFA and CERF etc. and he will be somebody's perfect pet ! BUT, if allll puppies are "royals" , than that breeding was planned to produce unusually big dogs just because somebody might to prefer HUDGE standard just for the looks. If somebody is producing puppies " just to sell fast", than that person is breeding not to improve the breed or for the love of a breed but for the love of the MONEY ! And that person is most likely to skip testing since it is expensive and overbreed to make a profit and so on ... I do not know - to me it is very clear cut deal.

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Old 09-23-2009, 09:15 PM   #24 (permalink)
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According to Parti Poodle World:

Partis and Phantoms are not the only multi-colored Poodles in existence. While the exact history of these other colors are not known, these colors are not new or recent either. Brindles in particular have existed since at least the 1950's. Sables are another color in which the inheritance and history is not quite known as of yet. The Sable pattern isn't as noticeable when a Poodle is cut short. But when the hair is left long, the bi-coloring is much more obvious. The hair at the base is one color and along its length it changes colors usually with brown or black tips.

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Old 09-24-2009, 12:29 PM   #25 (permalink)
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According to Parti Poodle World:

Partis and Phantoms are not the only multi-colored Poodles in existence. While the exact history of these other colors are not known, these colors are not new or recent either. Brindles in particular have existed since at least the 1950's. Sables are another color in which the inheritance and history is not quite known as of yet. The Sable pattern isn't as noticeable when a Poodle is cut short. But when the hair is left long, the bi-coloring is much more obvious. The hair at the base is one color and along its length it changes colors usually with brown or black tips.

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I am sorry I just looked through this thread again LMAO God did not create dog breeds humans did. God created wolves and whe changed them.

Anyways Cdnjennga

What happen to the brindles prior to 1950's? 1950 is not that long ago. This makes me still believe brindles were added from other breeds. If you could find more info about brindles early one then I will believe this color to be orginal. I have old poodle books and they never mention brindles but then again these books are written by people who are breeding solid dogs so you know some history is left out.

This same issue has happen with american pit bulls all of the sudden people started to have merles dogs out of no where. Of course these same breeders with merles where BYB and trying to make a quick buck. Both UKC and ADBA do not except the color merle to be registered any more since it brought up such Controversy. Merle is dominant and it would have been know since day one apbt came in merle. All of the merle pits emerged in the early 90's
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Speaking of Merle Pitbulls, I found a picture of a Blue Merle Poodle. I think the coloring is gorgeous, but I HIGHLY doubt it's a full bred poodle. It's got to have some aussie in it or something.

And here's a site that has merle minis. http://www.utopiapoodles.com/merle.html

Thoughts?

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I mentioned merle poodles on the first page. IMO there is no way they are purebred..... I have seen poodle aussie mixes all over the net and they look purebred. This breeder also registers her dogs with CKC so enough said there lol and no not the canadian kennel club....
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That is the same woman who operated as Terreganthen poodles in FL, and was shut down by animal control. She has resurfaced in GA.
She has been discussed many times, as there is no other merle poodle's but hers that ever came out of the woodwork anywhere, she has crossed with another breed, surely aussie.
She can't reg. AKC, as a DNA test might be requested.
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Oh my god , I do not even have a comment ... What are they doing to a poodle is just criminal and would be funny if it was not sad : ((( What is a poodle now - POINTER .... SHEEP DOG .... just...just ...
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Oh my god , I do not even have a comment ... What are they doing to a poodle is just criminal and would be funny if it was not sad : ((( What is a poodle now - POINTER .... SHEEP DOG .... just...just ...
Google Doodleman lol people just breed anything to anything ......


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That is the same woman who operated as Terreganthen poodles in FL, and was shut down by animal control. She has resurfaced in GA.
She has been discussed many times, as there is no other merle poodle's but hers that ever came out of the woodwork anywhere, she has crossed with another breed, surely aussie.
She can't reg. AKC, as a DNA test might be requested.
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WOW that is a damn shame .... There is this kennel ( I will have to ask my sister about) that states on their website that on of their stud dogs i mixed yet they claim the dogs they breed are purebred. When I find the kennel I wll post link.
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