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That GSD is scaling the fence, not clear jumping it. It is quite a feat, but I bet it took a lot of training and clearly wasn't a spontaneous leap decided on by the dog.
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Well yes...he is scaling it. But sailing or scaling, he and lots of dogs I think can get over a tall fence and escape if they have a mind and body to. lol. The op's dog probably scaled the fence too most likely.

Here's something about coyotes. They scale, leap, climb very high fences. Kind of cool to watch.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/0...-coyotes-jump/

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The trouble with Guiness records is that only a fraction of statistics are gathered. Not everyone reports their dogs' jumps most likely. I have no doubt there are dogs that can jump a 6 ft. fence or higher. I knew of a dog in Idaho that jumped out of his fenced yard. I think it was a 6' fence. The dog that bit me jumped the 5ft fence in his yard and that was not a large dog at all...maybe the height of my knees or a tad taller. One of our GSDs jumped over our 4.5 ft fence we had in the front yard. That wasn't that tall I guess.(I scolded him harshly and he never did again. That was many years ago) Coyotes, I know for a fact can jump a 6 foot fence or higher.

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Wow. That was one difficult Rottweiler. Terrible about the chickens. Glad he liked little dogs. My Dobe liked little dogs too, grew up with them. But he didn't want to go far from my side. True velcro. lol.
yes he was quite difficult but was the sweetest dog ever and super trained just could not get him out of jumping fences when no one was around. The chickens we felt awful about he wasn’t even trying to kill them they kept running from him understandably and when he would finally catch them he would bite down a little too hard. But me and my mom were able to find a family selling chickens and we replaced the chickens our dog killed. So in the end everyone was happy. We trained him up and later rehomed him as a service dog to a young couple. It was the best decision I ever made he goes everywhere with his handler so no more need to escape.
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The trouble with Guinness records is that only a fraction of statistics are gathered...

Jesse Owens was the first black solo track runner to win in the Olympics in Germany in 1936, attended by Hitler. (The first to run in the Olympics was John Taylor, who ran with a team in 1906.)

An excerpt about Jesse Owens: "He specialized in the sprints and the long jump, and was recognized in his lifetime as "perhaps the greatest and most famous athlete in track and field history". He set three world records and tied another, all in less than an hour at the 1935 Big Ten track meet in Ann Arbor, Michigan—a feat that has never been equaled and has been called "the greatest 45 minutes ever in sport".

"He achieved international fame at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, Germany by winning four gold medals: 100 meters, 200 meters, long jump, and 4 × 100 meter relay. He was the most successful athlete at the Games..." Wikepedia
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Amusing forgotten quote: When I was coming of age in the late '70s in DC, however, it was fairly common knowledge in the black community that Jesse said, "Growing up, I could never outrun my brother."

His brother didn't continue with track, so of course, never made Guinness World Records.

My point is there are always exceptional individuals in humans as well as the animal kingdom, including poodles like this one, and in the video below of a piano-playing chicken, so I keep an open mind about Loni's experience with her poodle leaping over the 7ft fence where she showed a photo of it.

Invisible Electric Fence? Years ago my brother dug a trench around an area of the backyard and then installed one for Pugs so they wouldn't wander into the woods. They had to wear an electric or radio thingy attached to their collar, and it worked.

However, I don't know how this would play out with a flying poodle.

Here's the chicken playing a piano:


Btw, Loni, if trained, your dog would rock in Agility!
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Amazing Vita! They probably shaped that behavior with a clicker. Birds aren't dumb, that's for sure. I trained some pigeons in animal behavior class and it was a trip how clever they can be.
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Well yes...he is scaling it. But sailing or scaling, he and lots of dogs I think can get over a tall fence and escape if they have a mind and body to. lol. The op's dog probably scaled the fence too most likely.

Here's something about coyotes. They scale, leap, climb very high fences. Kind of cool to watch.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/0...-coyotes-jump/

So cool!! Thank you for sharing. They make it look so easy.
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LONI'S I seem to have offended you at some level. I apologize.



As to fence jumping I just don't recall much discussion on that as an issue. I don't worry about fence jumping since our dogs have all been taught to respect gates and other sorts of barriers. Even though the poodles could certainly jump the gates they are familiar with they just don't do that, but training to respect fences does sound like something you need to work on.
Thank you for you apology. Yes, now that this issue has presented itself, we will be honing in on it.

I was somewhat offended. There I was asking advice on what could be applied to a fence. You respond: "I don't think she jumped it. She probably scaled it. I don't know why you bother with daycare. It's unnecessary."

No mention of my question. No mention of how I could make a fence more secure (you've yet to make mention of it even still).

Not helpful at all with a hint of judgement at the end.

It's fine if you don't believe how she got over it -- skepticism is a great thing -- but if it were me and my only purpose for commenting in a benign thread was to debunk at risk of ignoring the question, I would have skipped the thread all together.

Maybe that's not the practice here.
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Jesse Owens was the first black solo track runner to win in the Olympics in Germany in 1936, attended by Hitler. (The first to run in the Olympics was John Taylor, who ran with a team in 1906.)

An excerpt about Jesse Owens: "He specialized in the sprints and the long jump, and was recognized in his lifetime as "perhaps the greatest and most famous athlete in track and field history". He set three world records and tied another, all in less than an hour at the 1935 Big Ten track meet in Ann Arbor, Michigan—a feat that has never been equaled and has been called "the greatest 45 minutes ever in sport".

"He achieved international fame at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, Germany by winning four gold medals: 100 meters, 200 meters, long jump, and 4 × 100 meter relay. He was the most successful athlete at the Games..." Wikepedia
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Amusing forgotten quote: When I was coming of age in the late '70s in DC, however, it was fairly common knowledge in the black community that Jesse said, "Growing up, I could never outrun my brother."

His brother didn't continue with track, so of course, never made Guinness World Records.

My point is there are always exceptional individuals in humans as well as the animal kingdom, including poodles like this one, and in the video below of a piano-playing chicken, so I keep an open mind about Loni's experience with her poodle leaping over the 7ft fence where she showed a photo of it.

Invisible Electric Fence? Years ago my brother dug a trench around an area of the backyard and then installed one for Pugs so they wouldn't wander into the woods. They had to wear an electric or radio thingy attached to their collar, and it worked.

However, I don't know how this would play out with a flying poodle.

Here's the chicken playing a piano:


Btw, Loni, if trained, your dog would rock in Agility!
Thank you. I've been hearing that she would do well in agility a lot lately. That is something I've always intended on doing, but she had pretty severe food sensitivities (yay sick every meal) and lost quite a bit of weight. Blood work was always perfect, but the weight loss reduced her energy levels. Generally not the best time to start besides a few intro classes.

Now that we've figured it out and she's putting on great weight and muscle... my bouncy, spinning top of a puppy is back. She's jumping further and higher, taking more risks, leaping, spinning and hopping, and building her confidence.

Next year, it is definitely on the list.
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I've had more than my fair share of escape artists of different varieties. I'm not going to get into what's possible. I've seen dogs do things that I would have never thought possible. I will say if she's a high flyer then you won't ever be able to truly trust her to stay behind a fence. You can train until your legs fall off however if something motivates her more on the other side... alleee-ooop! You must be super careful about putting a wire up top due to safety reasons. If she's managing to jump or spring board off of something to go that high (I speak from experience as I've had a dog who used other dogs OR ME to springboard off of). Hooking a foot in the wire could be a mess for her. So you could put the dealies up there that lean in but make certain you put something solid threated through there so she can see there's a lid on the box (so to speak). Often times this will do the trick.

If she's doing any scaling, climbing then you can simply put something slick at the level of where she tries to hook in & she will sliiiiiiide & it'll stop her from it once she is corrected by sliding each time. A climber works best with electric fence. Because they're not moving with tremendous momentum like they do when they jump or springboard.

If I got to have my dream fence it would be solid block wall on a poured concrete footing, perhaps 4-5 feet tall with some sort of decorative rail on top. This prevents my dogs from sounding off on my neighbors' business but it also prevents my neighbors from teasing/harassing my dogs... which sadly has happened. The worst of these is the person who thinks they are a master in training dogs & their behavior when in fact... ugh... just no. This dream fence of mine is among the safest but it's quite pricey
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Wow major jump..I only have a 4 ft no dig garden fence across my backyard. The rest is a stockade 6 ft fence. I am lucky the none of my dogs has scaled a fence but then again they are never outside unsupervised so that could be reason. We have covenants and I can only put a 4 ft picket fence along my backyard. The rest 6 ft is allowable. I have no clue what would work. I have used doggy daycare in the past for my terrier, it was good until she kept getting kennel cough. They were strict about shots but apparently a new strain came in that year and we stopped going. It was a nice time for her. I kinda wish I did it with my poodle I think he would be better socialized from it. I think its a nice break for them occasionally as opposed to sitting home alone all day everyday. But we all do what works for ourselves, dogs are creatures of habit.
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Loni's, I could understand your concern for sure!! I think I would get a tall fence that is wood (cant see through) and do the "No mans land" like "rose n Poos" suggested!!! If my Norman was a jumper, I would do anything to make him safe. I know Lowes or Home Depot have lots of fencing options that are (to me) aesthetically pleasing.

For the daycare, I wish I could send Norman to one every once in a while! There is a great one here in town but it has a very very long waiting list. They are so great that they are building another facility!! I think if your dog enjoys going, send them! Some dogs thrive in large pack sizes! Some people do not believe in daycare, and that is understandable! :-) Everyone's lifestyle, like you said, is different! Daycare would be perfect for ours but since it is booked, we make it work without!! (lots of puzzle games LOL!) If your pupper likes daycare, send her! Making our dogs happy should be our top priority, if not why do we have them??

Maybe ask if you can get a video of the jump? (If they have cameras) This could help you see if she might have used anything for leverage or if shes just that good!!! Also if they do not have cameras and if they happen to separate her again to let her rest, ask them to record on their phones and see what happens! They may have a faulty fence system going on and need to rethink it !! :-)

Good luck!!!
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Just remember any time you think something's impossible... that's what everyone said before they saw it the first time.

A friend reminded me that you can also put something along the top of the fence that moves. Scary eye balloons come to mind due to the fact that they're used to spook off birds of prey but that might look pretty silly, as if you've a fear of hawks or owls. but if you got something that you could thread above the top of the fence through those lean overs & give it enough room that it could wave in the wind, it might be just enough to deter her because it's always moving in a different manner. I know a few folks that this has worked with their dogs. One used a metallic 4 inch stuff that wasn't really plastic but reminded me of plastic. Another used the stuff you put up for sun screen. They cut it in long strips & hung it at the top & at the bottom of that lean in thingy. For the dog they look at this & it changes their perception of if it's safe to go over.

Another very crafty elderly woman with a Siberian Huskey who could jump, climb, & scale like it had cleats on its feet, went to Hobby Lobby & got these beautiful tassels. Then she got really pretty clear or frosted Christmas lights & she stretched & twisted them around the base of the dealy for the top of the fence (I'm talking about the 3 wire lean in thing). So she had a fence that she explained to the home owners association that she turned the lights on at night not only for safety purposes of her dog but also they provided a nightlight so she could see in her yard. (She had had an intruder hiding in her back yard once who was a prison escapee). So her concerns were valid. The dangly tassels were dark & quite pretty even if they were unusual. The HOA approved the irregularities on the fence & the Huskey remained inside her fence from that point forward.
I can't seem to figure out how Multi-Quotes work on this website. I've quoted most of you all, but they won't show up. Thank you so much for your suggestions (and that warning about wire).

There are some trees and wild grape that need to cleared before we move forward with our fence plans. I have some time to do more research and come up with a strategy. By then, she'll be much more trained on how to properly respond to fences. This could very well be a one off given she's never reacted to fences this way before despite having ample opportunity, but I want to be safe and nip this in the bud.

PS: I posted it and the quotes showed up. Marvelous!
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Well, whatever method she used, 7 ft pretty darn impressive- she’s a little wild child- lol!

The first day I brought Lily home (a poodle mix, and my wild child), she jumped from the floor straight up to the back of the couch. It was a high back couch, probably at least 3-4 times her height at the withers. I’m not sure what that works out to be proportionately for your girl and a 7 ft. Fence, but I think it’s a similar kind of thing...like “OMG, I can’t believe she just did that!”

I had a lot of moments like that with Lily, though scaling fences was not one of them. She never tried to get out of the fence, even if the gate was open, if I call her, she’d stay right with me. She’s ten now and with a new poodle puppy in the house and I am remembering many of her young, crazy antics, but Gracie puppy is doing her best to keep the memories near and dear!

The new puppy, Gracie, is high energy and crazy, but in a different way. She’s not as unpredictable as Lily was.

Whatever she does, enjoy her and do your best to keep her safe. The young years go so fast, I still can’t believe my Lily girl is ten years old. A healthy ten thank God, and has occasional zoomies in agility still(running around the course haphazardly like a mad dog)!

Let us know how it goes, somehow I think your girl will continue to provide many entertaining moments for you!
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