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Old 08-07-2019, 06:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Grin-Free is now considered bad? My head hurts...

Pet food confuses me so badly. I dunno what's up or down anymore. :(

So I've just been made aware that Grain-Free foods are currently having a spot of controversy... There's a potential risk of heart disease if they eat it for too long? When did that happen? I've heard nothing about this.

On top of that I was always told to avoid any pet food with corn in it because it's "not natural", "they can't digest it", and "it's just used as a filler by lazy companies".
I was made to feel like a bad pet owner because I fed my old dog Dylan pet foods that had both corn and other grains mixed in... so I thought I was doing the right thing by switching to fancy grain-free foods for my new dog Zael.

It's cost me so much money and now I find out it might have all been a really bad decision to change my buying habits. I'm so lost... as far as I'm aware my dog doesn't have any food allergies or intolerance, so should I go back to my roots and start buying the same foods I got for my old boy?

Zael is currently on a kibble called Millies Wolfheart HUNTER MIX That is an 80/20 grain-free dog food.
https://www.millieswolfheart.co.uk/d...ove/hunter-mix

...and this is what Dylan ate: Bakers Meaty Meals
https://www.purina.co.uk/dog/bakersd...als-adult-beef

I feel like all I do is ask questions... but I kinda feel I oughta know what's up in the dog world.
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There have been a bunch of discussions on grain free diets and the risk for dilated cardiomyopathy. You can search the forums on health and food and you will find those threads several of which have links to the FDA's information on this topic.


One has to remember that carbohydrates are an important source of calories for doing things like training, playing fetch, taking a walk on all sorts of important things. The problems with grains are multifaceted: 1) fed in excess they cause weight gain which then increases risks for things like joint problems, metabolic imbalances and others; 2) if a grain (or protein source for that matter) is fed that the dog or person (or other animal) has a sensitivity or intolerance to there will be any of a variety of health problems (for dogs excessive ear wax, itchiness, GI upsets...) that will ensue.


Personally I think if someone has concerns about these issues or has a dog with obvious health problems then it makes sense to get a NutriScan analysis done so that a food can be chosen with evidence of what diet components will be able to be included in a nutritionally complete diet whether it be commercial or home prepared,
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Legumes and potatoes are to be avoided, until we know more. I feed salmon. Pro Plan sensitive - salmon. Not a food I would have considered just last year, but you’ve got to go with new discoveries.

It is also recommended to switch often, this way the chances of doing damage, whatever it is, is lessened.
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I was feeding Fromm (not grain-free, but it still had both potatoes and sweet potatoes in it), so after A LOT of research and doubt, I eventually switched to Royal Canin. Prior to this whole issue (it was first made public around July 2018), I would never have considered Royal Canin or Purina. I thought they were full of cheap fillers too. The more I have read, the more I have learned that these two brands (in addition to Hills Science Diet and Iams), are formulated based on decades of science based research on pet nutrition, and that corn is not a cheap filler but actually a highly digestible food for (most) dogs that helps them create their own taurine. Of course different dogs will have different food sensitivities, but as a rule corn is not bad.

Now in an ideal world, I would be able to serve a food that has a higher quality of ingredients, meat first, and fewer fillers, AND has the scientific research to back it up, and I truly hope that's one good thing that comes of this. That these companies that have the money to do all the research realize we will pay more if necessary to get the best of both worlds, and the smaller companies will start using that research instead of just giving us an ingredient list that sounds good to us.

In the meantime, my 16 month old mini is doing fantastic on Royal Canin. Perhaps he needed the corn after all, because Royal Canin is the only thing that finally firmed up his stools. I did try the same Purina Pro Plan that Dechi mentioned, but he still had soft stools even after a couple months on that. Again, every dog is different. Royal Canin finally did the trick for us.

I personally would switch to a grain-inclusive food (unless you know your dog personally has an issue with grains), and avoid foods with legumes or potatoes.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
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My pup's on raw so he doesn't get any carbs, but in the past I've fed Farmina's N&D and really liked it. They have a grain version that is a low percentage grain and their food smells like something I would eat. If I was going to feed kibble that's what I would use. It's a really high quality brand.
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Every time I buy a fancy, boutique food, there's a big recall. Taurine, melamine, who knows what else, but Purina never gets recalled. As a company they do extensive animal nutrition research and they source their ingredients from North America. I trust Purina more than the boutique foods made by contract manufacturers. My dogs have all lived into old age.

Dogs have evolved from grey wolves while eating human food. They have longer digestive tracts and produce more amylase (an enzyme that breaks down dietary starch). I see no reason to feed grain free food unless an individual dog has a sensitivity.
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Every time I buy a fancy, boutique food, there's a big recall. Taurine, melamine, who knows what else, but Purina never gets recalled. As a company they do extensive animal nutrition research and they source their ingredients from North America. I trust Purina more than the boutique foods made by contract manufacturers. My dogs have all lived into old age.

Dogs have evolved from grey wolves while eating human food. They have longer digestive tracts and produce more amylase (an enzyme that breaks down dietary starch). I see no reason to feed grain free food unless an individual dog has a sensitivity.
After trying 2 other brands and dealing with allergic reactions or refusal to eat, I finally decided to go the route of switching to Purina as well (one canned one dry). This is the brand my family fed our dogs until grain free became a fad and we were told it was healthier and better for dogs. My previous dogs lived long lives eating Purina.
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Every time I buy a fancy, boutique food, there's a big recall. Taurine, melamine, who knows what else, but Purina never gets recalled. As a company they do extensive animal nutrition research and they source their ingredients from North America. I trust Purina more than the boutique foods made by contract manufacturers. My dogs have all lived into old age.

Dogs have evolved from grey wolves while eating human food. They have longer digestive tracts and produce more amylase (an enzyme that breaks down dietary starch). I see no reason to feed grain free food unless an individual dog has a sensitivity.

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Has Purina Ever Been Recalled?
Yes. In late March 2019, the company issued a limited recall of one of its Muse cat food varieties.

Also, in March 2016, 5 varieties of Pro Plan wet dog food sold in tubs were recalled because of inadequate vitamin/mineral levels. Also, in summer 2013, Purina voluntarily recalled a batch of Purina ONE dog food for suspected salmonella contamination.

A year earlier, a single lot of Purina Veterinary Diets OM Overweight Management Feline Formula was recalled because of levels of thiamine that were deemed to be too low.

Also, twice in 2011, certain Purina dry cat foods were recalled for suspected salmonella contamination.



For full details about all of these recalls, please see the list below.
https://www.petful.com/brands/purina/
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I feed Purina Pro Plan Sport. Poppy loves it and does very well on it. It does contain corn, and chicken but I have learned that corn glutin meal is not bad and contains some very essential amino acids, helpful to a dog's diet.

The pro Plan Sport Sensitive Skin and stomach variety, salmon based is another nice choice. No chicken or corn.

I fed Purina for nearly 50 yrs....healthy dogs, no major illnesses. My breeder of Poppy feeds Purina Pro Plan Sport. I am back with Purina and intend to stay with it.
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Taurine-Deficient (Nutritional) Dilated Cardiomyopathy
For the past few months, it has been on the news in our area. I joined a FB group to have access to all of the information that had been out for the past 2 years on the subject. They shared links along with a lot of information. Very informative. Like many pet owners,I also thought I was doing well with my choices of dog food for Toby. Now I found out that what he was on was one of the top 2 linked to this problem. Needless to say, I switched to one of the 5 recommended brands.
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