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Old 01-25-2019, 06:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Sorry for taking this thread in a slightly different direction, but it seems like you all are already headed in a direction I'd like to go. SpinningBunnyFluff, I can identify with feeling overwhelmed. LOL!
I completely get it. I purchased a pamphlet on Monica Segal's site that provides the information needed to be able to build a balanced diet for a dog. Unfortunately while this would have been doable if it was just a matter of building a balanced diet, trying to figure out how to build and implement it while ensuring that I'm not using anything to which Snow is sensitive was just too much. So in the end I gave one more dry food a try and when it became clear that he's sensitive to it as well, elected to spend the extra money to have Monica build the diet for me and walk me through implementation. She and Jory are currently working on putting together a plan, and I expect we'll be starting soon.

If you're interested, she also has a Puppy Consultation that is a bit more expensive but provides support until the dog turns 12 months old.

So far I've been pretty impressed with the process, but given that we haven't actually started implementing the diet yet these are still early impressions.
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I completely get it. I purchased a pamphlet on Monica Segal's site that provides the information needed to be able to build a balanced diet for a dog. Unfortunately while this would have been doable if it was just a matter of building a balanced diet, trying to figure out how to build and implement it while ensuring that I'm not using anything to which Snow is sensitive was just too much. So in the end I gave one more dry food a try and when it became clear that he's sensitive to it as well, elected to spend the extra money to have Monica build the diet for me and walk me through implementation. She and Jory are currently working on putting together a plan, and I expect we'll be starting soon.



If you're interested, she also has a Puppy Consultation that is a bit more expensive but provides support until the dog turns 12 months old.



So far I've been pretty impressed with the process, but given that we haven't actually started implementing the diet yet these are still early impressions.
Thank you, SpinningBunnyFluff!
I will certainly check it out!

I was getting discouraged. I would rather have recipes that were designed specifically for a puppy's nutritional needs. I also need to call and question the company that makes the gently cooked puppy fare to be sure they are providing a food I can trust. Either way, it looks like I'm still on the hunt. I'm not giving up yet.

I admire your persistence and willingness to help Snow. He has a very good mom. Thanks for sharing what you've learned so far. I hope you'll continue to update us on his progress.
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I received the beginning instructions for Snow's cooked diet last week and started transitioning him yesterday. Should take about a week for him to be fully switched to the new diet. Fingers crossed for improvement.

I also determined that I refuse to cook a week's worth of rice for Snow on the stove top, and ordered a Instant Pot 8 Quart. This should easily allow me to cook two weeks of rice for him at a time and be MUCH less mess to clean up after. Cooking two different batches of ground meat was much less of an issue.
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I received the beginning instructions for Snow's cooked diet last week and started transitioning him yesterday. Should take about a week for him to be fully switched to the new diet. Fingers crossed for improvement.



I also determined that I refuse to cook a week's worth of rice for Snow on the stove top, and ordered a Instant Pot 8 Quart. This should easily allow me to cook two weeks of rice for him at a time and be MUCH less mess to clean up after. Cooking two different batches of ground meat was much less of an issue.
That is great! I have wondered if the instant pot is really a good investment. It sounds like a time saver. Please keep us posted on how he does!
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As an FYI when I switched our dogs from kibble to home cooked we went cold turkey with no problems. I'm not sure how important a gradual transition is. I am glad you are finding a way to fix your pup's tummy problems.
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As an FYI when I switched our dogs from kibble to home cooked we went cold turkey with no problems. I'm not sure how important a gradual transition is. I am glad you are finding a way to fix your pup's tummy problems.
I'm following the directions that I was given to transition him over the course of a week. I'd probably be transitioning him more quickly, if I was doing this on my own.
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..... article does nothing to alleviate my worry about the overuse of antibiotics in farm animals. It basically represents the meat industry's attempt to say that everything is OK. But it does not even mention the concern about human health being impacted by resistance to antibiotics that is caused by routine use of antibiotics in the feed of farm animals -- fed in their feed, not because they are sick.

A lot has been written about this and about the need to pass legislation that prevents the routine use of antibiotics in healthy farm animals.

Here is just one article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638249/
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I have been reading up on this too. I guess I should be happy that China uses more antibiotics in chicken than the US does, but it is not really making me feel better. Europe is so far ahead of the US in health protection, which makes no sense to me.

The US has prohibited the use of a few antibiotics in chickens.

Apparently the antibiotics given a lot of chickens in the US (tetracycline and related) end up in their bones and are still there when butchered, although apparently it has mostly left their muscle meat by then. This is worrisome as the bones end up in a lot of kibble, in raw diets, in bone meal supplements, etc.

https://academic.oup.com/ps/article/94/8/1979/1530907

"This result suggests potential human and animal health risks due to the entry of tetracycline residues contained in the bones of treated livestock into the food-chain. This could be of concern, particularly for canine and feline diets, as meat, bone meal, and poultry by-products represent some of the main ingredients of pet foods, especially in the case of dry pet food."

I just became aware of this info about chicken bones. Apparently you have to look for labeling of 'no antibiotics ever', or 'raised without antibiotics'. Other wording may sound good but shows that they may have been used at some point and in feed. https://www.consumerreports.org/over...s-really-mean/

So I searched for a list of chicken brands raised without antibiotics and found a site that listed companies that 'limited' antibiotics. Unfortunately when I looked at each individually they weren't completely free and I gave up looking after a few. But am still looking for a list that has used none, from inception.

I will be contacting the companies of chicken available in my local stores to see what they say.

I am hoping that by now there are more companies doing this!

I know local farmers who do not use antibiotics, and are letting their chickens run free and forage, but their chickens are $4 per pound and over and I just can't afford that!
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What is NOT used in chickens is hormones as they were banned in the 1950's,.... although hormones and steroids are used in beef and sheep in the US, but not in Europe :(

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That is great! I have wondered if the instant pot is really a good investment. It sounds like a time saver. Please keep us posted on how he does!
Dramama, I have not one but two instant pots. I was hesitant to buy the first one because I had never used a pressure cooler and was scared of them. I took a chance on the instant pot because it had many options for cooking. I found I was using it so much and there were times I wished I had a second one instead of having to wait while one thing finished cooking before starting the next. I watched the sales for a good price and bought a second. I’ve found that I can cook grains in large batches and store them in the fridge and then reheat what I need.....or they freeze wonderfully.

While the instant pot does save time cooking something like beans that are not presoaked, it’s simplifies other cooking. Some foods, like steel cut oatmeal need to be babysat at the beginning, watched carefully so they are boiling, but not boiling over and making a mess of the stove.....then you can turn the heat down and walk away while they cook but you have to come back and turn the stove off when they are cooked. With the instant pot, I put water and steel cut oatmeal in, put the lid on. I chose the cooking setting then walk away. I don’t have to babysit nor do I have to come back at a set time when it’s done. No worries about spilling over and making a mess. The machine after cooking goes into a keep warm mode so I can come back at any time.

For dog food it’s wonderful if you can batch cook large amounts and freeze in the volume you need.

Also when I switched both my tpoo and current minipoo to home cooked food, I didn’t transition slowly. I did it immediately because the commercial food was making them both ill (tpoo had pancreatitis and minipoo had ulcerative colitis and food allergies/intolerances) giving them serious digestive issues. I would have transitioned slowly if the previous food was not causing any problems. In my situation the home cooking was like an antibiotic that I wanted the dog on as quickly as possible and at an effective dose. In both cases home cooking put digestive problems into remission quickly and effectively.
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Dramama, I have not one but two instant pots. I was hesitant to buy the first one because I had never used a pressure cooler and was scared of them. I took a chance on the instant pot because it had many options for cooking. I found I was using it so much and there were times I wished I had a second one instead of having to wait while one thing finished cooking before starting the next. I watched the sales for a good price and bought a second. Iíve found that I can cook grains in large batches and store them in the fridge and then reheat what I need.....or they freeze wonderfully.

While the instant pot does save time cooking something like beans that are not presoaked, itís simplifies other cooking. Some foods, like steel cut oatmeal need to be babysat at the beginning, watched carefully so they are boiling, but not boiling over and making a mess of the stove.....then you can turn the heat down and walk away while they cook but you have to come back and turn the stove off when they are cooked. With the instant pot, I put water and steel cut oatmeal in, put the lid on. I chose the cooking setting then walk away. I donít have to babysit nor do I have to come back at a set time when itís done. No worries about spilling over and making a mess. The machine after cooking goes into a keep warm mode so I can come back at any time.

For dog food itís wonderful if you can batch cook large amounts and freeze in the volume you need.

Also when I switched both my tpoo and current minipoo to home cooked food, I didnít transition slowly. I did it immediately because the commercial food was making them both ill (tpoo had pancreatitis and minipoo had ulcerative colitis and food allergies/intolerances) giving them serious digestive issues. I would have transitioned slowly if the previous food was not causing any problems. In my situation the home cooking was like an antibiotic that I wanted the dog on as quickly as possible and at an effective dose. In both cases home cooking put digestive problems into remission quickly and effectively.
Thank you, Skylar! I had originally passed it off as a fad, but your description helped me to understand the full benefit. The hardest part of cooking is babysitting, not throwing it together. Do you have a particular model you recommend? (Not just for dog food, but general use)
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