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Old 08-07-2019, 07:19 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My initial contact was great but I was asked to send a deposit via e-transfer before the pups were even born without any information at all about the parents. I wasn't too comfortable with that. It felt very impersonal. Is that standard procedure now?

With my last mini, I got to meet the mom and got lots of info about the dad and both parent's temperaments.
I would absolutely not buy from a breeder without seeing the pedigrees of the parents, seeing health testing of the parents (preferably listed on OFA), meeting the breeder, seeing where and how the pups will be raised, meeting the mother dog (and preferably the father). You should also see their contract (if they have one) before sending a deposit. Possible exception on the requirement of meeting the breeder and the parent dogs if someone I knew and trusted personally knew the breeder and his/her dogs. The idea that you would send a deposit to a breeder that you don't know for a puppy of unknown parentage just seems absolutely crazy to me. No way!
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Never send a deposit to someone you're not comfortable with. I have to know what I'm getting myself into before I'd send a deposit. Gotta know about parents, health testing, etc... if they can't show me proof of health test results, I assume they're blowing smoke. At any point if something seems off or I'm not comfortable, I'm out. Maybe I miss some good puppies from great breeders that way but I have been burned really badly a couple of times. And if the breeder I'm doing business with isn't raising his/her own puppies... I'm out. I am supportive of fostering but if someone else is raising the puppies then I'm not interested at all.
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You should know who the parents are, see pictures of them (or visit if you are close enough), and also know the importance details regarding the health testing of each parent. Even if it's for a future litter, the breeder should have a plan about which dogs will be part of the breeding process.
They have pictures on the website but I would have liked to have a chance to meet the parents ideally. I was told it wasn't possible to even come to make the deposit in person because visitors would stress out a momma dog with a previous litter.

I'm sure their dogs and pups are fine but there was too much blind faith for me to go through with it.
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Old 08-07-2019, 02:02 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree with Dogs4Life on all of the above, and I will also add that I think having breeding stock with foster homes just feels like a way to hold onto more dogs than might be ideal. Other people may have different thoughts on that part of it, but the poodle and GSD breeders we have dogs from don't have dogs out with foster families.


Giving a deposit before there are paws on the ground is not such a big deal, but it should be for an already planned or completed breeding (so you know who the parents are and can know their background) and be able to be applied to a future litter or refundable if the suitable pup for you isn't among the litter your deposit went towards. For our three dogs, Lily's breeder took a $500 deposit, Peeves litter (who BF had previously had a dog from) required no deposit and Javelin's breeder took a $100 deposit. The poodle deposits were given after the breedings, but before whelping.
That definitely sounds much reasonable if you already know who the parents are ahead of time! Any breeder recommendations?

I was ready to put the deposit down because we have recently lost our mini to heart failure and we wanted a pup sooner rather than later. But then it just didn't sit right that I wasn't even told the parent's name. Though to be fair I would have been less hesitant if it had been possible to meet the parents.
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They have pictures on the website but I would have liked to have a chance to meet the parents ideally. I was told it wasn't possible to even come to make the deposit in person because visitors would stress out a momma dog with a previous litter.

I'm sure their dogs and pups are fine but there was too much blind faith for me to go through with it.
Well I can see not allowing people to meet a litter that is less than 4 weeks old. Momma dogs do get protective of their babies, and introducing strangers to the momma + young babies would not be a good idea. But what do you mean by "momma dog with a previous litter"? If it is a previous litter (not the litter you would be getting a puppy from), you do not need to meet that momma dog. But you do want to meet the momma of the litter you are interested in, either before the pups are born, or after they are about 4 weeks old.

Getting a puppy from a momma who has a wonderful stable temperament -- one who is not easily stressed out -- is extremely important. Mommas pass their temperaments along to the puppies in two ways: (1) genetics and (2) by taking good care of them (the breeder and the momma dog together provide the puppies with a safe, secure and happy environment). I think you are wise to be cautious.
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Sorry for your loss. Arreau is in Ontario. They breed standard poodles....not sure if you might consider that size. There are several PF members who have gotten a poodle from Arreau.
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The foster designation could be a co-breeder, owner/mentor situation. I found an old 2011 post from Arreau that she hadnít heard a negative word about them. Personally, I would want to know the sire and dam on any pup before I put down a deposit. I expect from this breeder that both are Canadian conformation CHís.
Good to know! My advice to others would probably be to try to talk to them by phone and have all questions ready. I corresponded with them by email and maybe that's why there was missing information. I think it can be hard to communicate by email that "hey I'm very serious about getting a puppy but I'd love to get as much info as possible before I pay a deposit."
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For me I want copies of all healttesing on sire & dam in my hand or where I can view at an official site. That being said I want to know the sire & dam they are planning to breed before I put a deposit on a puppy. I also want to know if my deposit will be refundable if they cannot provide a puppy from this planned litter. I don't go for well we will try again or have another puppy from a different litter. Basically I want to know what I getting and when.

I agree with this sentiment.
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I would absolutely not buy from a breeder without seeing the pedigrees of the parents, seeing health testing of the parents (preferably listed on OFA), meeting the breeder, seeing where and how the pups will be raised, meeting the mother dog (and preferably the father). You should also see their contract (if they have one) before sending a deposit. Possible exception on the requirement of meeting the breeder and the parent dogs if someone I knew and trusted personally knew the breeder and his/her dogs. The idea that you would send a deposit to a breeder that you don't know for a puppy of unknown parentage just seems absolutely crazy to me. No way!
So it was not possible for me to come to even put a deposit down in person because they had another dog with pups in the house and the visit would stress her out. I definitely did not want to stress out a mama but there was no mention of a contract or anything, just a request to send an e-transfer.

I'm sure their pups are fine but as much as I wanted one it just didn't feel right.
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Since I am in New York and have standards, not mpoos I don't have suggestions other than reaching out to Arreau to see who she knows that might be good on minis in your area.
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