Thanks for the info on judges. I've watched the Westminster twice and I went to the PCC show in Arthur as a spectator, those are my 3 experiences with conformation shows and was I confused! I also overheard some fellow spectators talk about the politics in judging but I thought maybe they were just unhappy with the results. However, in Rally and formal Obed., I've witnessed favouritism as well...sometimes more blatantly than others so I shouldn't be so suprised. Anyways, very interesting what you've shared with me, I've been on this forum now what, 3 weeks or so and have learned so much from everyone. Oh and WELCOME fellow CDN.!