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Old 08-18-2010, 05:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I joined last year I think it was but not been on since. I'm looking for advice with the conti clip.

I got a miniature pup to show last year and he is is puppy pants (not sure what it's called elsewhere) but over here the mins are almost always only shown in this clip. I've decided that I would like to be different and put my boy into conti. I've mentioned it in the past to people within the breed and I've always been told not to because it's not done over here.. Even with him in puppy pants no one breaks their neck to offer help and advice. He has been attacked a few times and hit by a judge so hasn't done as well as everyone expected.. (I've learned to accept when people don't offer advice they are usualy worried about the competition!)

So how should I go about putting him into the conti clip? Where should the bracelets etc be placed? Or even what books are good to help? Isn't really anyone that would be willing to put him into it for me so I'm on my own but I think I do a not bad job considering I've not been taught as such.

My clippers broke last week so won't beable to get a new pair for a few weeks.. Luckily my friend is letting me borrow hers since there in a champion show in 2 weeks!!
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Or even what books are good to help?
This is a good reference book:

Amazon.com: Poodle Clipping and Grooming: The International Reference (Howell Reference Books)… Amazon.com: Poodle Clipping and Grooming: The International Reference (Howell Reference Books)…

My standard is in a (slightly overgrown) continental right now but I had a pro groomer set the pattern for me.

And did I understand your post correctly??? A JUDGE HIT your dog??? If you don't mind me asking - where exactly do you live? That's horrible! You also mentioned that your dog was attacked a few times - I gather this was by other dogs (hopefully not by humans!!) Not that it's any less scary for the dog to be attacked by dogs than by humans, but humans should know better!!

Wishing you better luck in the future!!
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I think Lolseh meant attacked verbally... as in badly critisized? At least, I hope that's what s/he meant.

lolseh, by "puppy pants" do you mean the scandinavian puppy lion:

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Yes that's what I mean by puppy pants.(that picture looks a bit like my tattoo!)

By hit I mean hit with a measure on his bum! Just whack.. and that was his terrified for months of getting measured. At show training I asked a man to hold his collar for me but no he grabbed his neck, refused to let go so my boy was trying to bite for him to let go and he peed everywhere :( The rest has been by other dogs in the ring etc. So as you can see not a very good start. Been alot of hard work because it made him a nervous dog in general. I live in Scotland.

That book looks good. Got 2 out the libary today but they are only really for pet owners.
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Here is a few pics of him







He is such a lovely boy. He also does obedience and agility.
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I do hope you reported the judge - if it was accidental, it was extreme carelessness, and if it was deliberate, it was unforgivable. Poppy hates being held by anyone she doesn't know well - it is something I am having to work on very gradually. Heaven knows what would happen if someone actually hurt her deliberately - I can imagine it taking a very long time to get her confident again. You have my sympathy.

How old is your pup? Personally I thnk he would look great in a continental, but then I have decided against showing until the KC allows me to show Poppy in a retriever clip, so I am probably not the best person to ask!
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I do hope you reported the judge - if it was accidental, it was extreme carelessness, and if it was deliberate, it was unforgivable. Poppy hates being held by anyone she doesn't know well - it is something I am having to work on very gradually. Heaven knows what would happen if someone actually hurt her deliberately - I can imagine it taking a very long time to get her confident again. You have my sympathy.

How old is your pup? Personally I thnk he would look great in a continental, but then I have decided against showing until the KC allows me to show Poppy in a retriever clip, so I am probably not the best person to ask!
I got told I need to pay 25 to report him. He also didn't measure my friends dog very well and he's a very confident dog. When he done it I just looked at him blankley then over at my friend who was taking pictures. He didn't say sorry or anything and I was in too much shock to say anything. I got told it was because he only owns standard poodles.. Even then he could say sorry.

He is 14 months. His coat is still changing but it seems to be taking a very long time! I think he would look great in it too but I can't wait to see peoples faces in the ring since it's not the done thing

Someone I know shows her poodle in a pet clip. Her ears and tail are shaved wih the rest one length so I think anything goes in the ring really. She bet me the other day!
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Ummmm - that judge sounds like someone who should be edged out, to me!

The poodle grooming book mentioned above is available on Amazon.co.uk for a lot less than the US price - at first glance it looks a bit old fashioned (black and white photos, lots of text), but it really is solid gold on techniques and patterns, and very easy to follow even for an absolute beginner like me.
The New Complete Poodle Clipping and Grooming Book Howell Reference Books: Amazon.co.uk: Shirlee Kalstone: Books The New Complete Poodle Clipping and Grooming Book Howell Reference Books: Amazon.co.uk: Shirlee Kalstone: Books
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Was his first show I think. Still not an excuse!

I thought the libary might have had a book similar but they sold all their grooming etc books recently :arrogant (2):

Will see if Waterstones or similar sells it so I can have a flick through it first. That's if any of those book shops are still open?
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Funny, I call that trim Puppy Pants too. Are you sure you want to go Continental? Being different in the show ring is not always better. Do you have a good sense of what is under all that hair, because once it is off, you will see everything. That hair hides a ton of faults. If you think for a minute that he does not have a good tail set with adequate shelf or that he has a sloping croup, leave the hair on.

How to set a Continental..... find the last rib. The jacket should sit 1/2 way between the last rib and the hip bone. Theoretically, the rosette should center on the hip bone, but most folks move it forward a bit. There should be only the tiniest of lines (pinky finger) width between jacket and rosette. Use a round plastic container top to help guide you in making the round rosette. The biggest mistake people make is that they move the jacket too far up and the rosette too far back.

To set the bracelets, trim the back bracelet to the top of the hock joint (just a tiny bit above). The front bracelets should be a tiny bit higher than the back ones.
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