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Old 08-23-2010, 07:00 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I might contact these folks and see where it takes you.

VON HAUBEN SHEPHERDS

One thing to ask about along with pedigrees, titles, and testing is longevity.
Now that's what shepherds are suppose to look like
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Now that's what shepherds are suppose to look like
Some of their faces I am not fawn of but they look like good dogs especially since they are focused on work and not just showing

I am more into these german shepherds ( old historic pictures of GSD's)


a lot of the dogs in the beginning where VERY square with long legs we have made them longer in body with shorter legs



Todays GSD's by working breeders

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I wish I had my GSD book on me I would scan some pics in its crazy how they used to look lol
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I'm not saying that they are the end-all-and-be-all. I just think they have done a lot with their dogs and they would be a good resource for finding like minded breeders.

I think GSDs are hard. Too many American bred GSDs have poor structure and temperaments. Too many German bred dogs are too high drive for the average owner.
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I'm not saying that they are the end-all-and-be-all. I just think they have done a lot with their dogs and they would be a good resource for finding like minded breeders.

I think GSDs are hard. Too many American bred GSDs have poor structure and temperaments. Too many German bred dogs are too high drive for the average owner.
I agree ! I know what you ment. I would rather buy from the breeder you posted than some of the show breeders I have seen.

I just do not like what I called "rat faces" with Gsd's it make them look goofy IMO.

The american lines are just sad ! every dog show I go to I would look at their hind legs and all I see is weak cow hocked legs ! their bodies are not meant for working at all. , I really doubt they can clear a 7ft fence or even jump high.

The temps in American lines are also poor ! I never seen soo many weird temps in GSD until I started to go to shows. GSD's used to be my breed but as I kept going to shows and seeing the west german dogs and American dogs, I just fell out of love with them. When I move out with my bf we plan to get a east german bred dog or maybe a rottweiler I am iffy with Rotties also because how some of these american breeders are breeding them. I think we will just stick with east german GSD I just love them so MUCH.

They are higher drived but most breeders can find you a dog just for a pet some of the puppies do not come out with the same drive.
Adler Stein Kennels-German Shepherds-German Shepherd Puppies-Working Line German Shepherds

is a very nice breeder she makes sure the dogs temp will fit you lifestyle I almost got a dog from her but she did not have a dog that would suit my life style right now.
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I really like Oskar!
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #57 (permalink)
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This person frequents another forum I visit, and swears up and down he's not a BYB.

He charges $1500 for these...

Unreal:
East Coast Black Magic GSD / Classic German Shepherd Dog Breeders

This makes me angry on so many different levels...no testing but they are 'out of tested parents'


Don't some of these dogs look like they have Akita or even corgi in them?

Sheesh.
It's nice of you to post my web-site. I'm not sure where you got it from unless you were stalking me.

All my dogs have been x-rayed for hips; are checked every 6 months by a vet; and have been trained in ob with one receiving her CGC. So your comment about non tested dogs is bogus - much like everything else you have preached in here.

You absolutely know nothing about German shepherds and that is proven by your comment pertaining to Akitas and Corgi's.

If you really need to know, my 100% AKC registered German shepherd bloodlines have stayed intact for over 30 years. We do not have EPI, SIBO, allergies and a host of other disorders that are common in the today's bloodlines. I dare say a true BYB can make that claim. I've been involved with German shepherds probably longer than you have been alive and have forgotten more about this breed in a day than you will learn in a lifetime.

I have also posted the pedigrees of all my dogs. And if you know so much about German shepherds, you will see that my lines are built on very good stock. Of course from someone who has an ax to grind, it means nothing.

If you are upset with me, then leave the dogs out of your personal problems. And to be honest your title as "Vet Tech" means absolutely nothing when it comes to passing judgement on a breed you know nothing about. I will respond to all post in this thread in order to present the truth.

A word of advice, sometimes it best to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
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It should be in the list of "ways to identify a BYB" - having a testimonial from Mylie Cyrus on the front page of your web site. I didn't need to see any more.
Very cute. Why would a billionaire buy a dog from a BYB? Doesn't make any sense to me but I am sure you have an answer.
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Miley Cyrus must have a menagerie by now.
Let's see, Miley has a dog, her dad has a German shepherd, her mom has a dog, her grand mother has a dog, and her little sister would love to have a German shepherd. I assume they also have animals on their 500 acre farm.
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yeah no kidding Marian...she must have an effin zoo o.o

and you don't have to be familiar with someones lines to see something off he says that if you PAY them to keep your dog an extra week or 2 that they'll bring the pup INTO the home and try and house break it...which sounds like he has a Kennel =\
OK know it all, It is not unusal for dogs to cost more if the breeder keeps them over 10 weeks. Have you ever raised a litter of German shepherds? Do you understand their development during the weeks 8 - 12 and the effect a lack of socialization and training has a dog as they grow older? How about their bonding? When is the ultimate week to establish the closet bonding with a pup? When are they developed enough to comprehend right from wrong? How many hours should you spend with a pup during week 10 to 12? When do you expose them to things in the outside world? What about vaccines and nutrition?

Maybe if you understood what all the developmental stages after week 8 you wouldn't question why an older pup is more expensive.
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