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Old 08-19-2010, 08:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ever since we got Casey, he has urinated by squatting. I thought he would soon to learn to do it by lifting his leg, but nope. Very annoying because he is always spraying onto the back of his front legs.

Just recently he actually lifted his leg twice! Yay, Casey!! And then back to squatting again...

So can this be trained? I actually gave him a treat both times he lifted his leg, but not sure he made the connection as to why he was being rewarded.

I have not neutered him yet. Had planned to do it at 18 months, but thought maybe if I waited a bit longer, his hormones would kick in and he would start lifting, but so far that theory has not panned out.

Anyone have an opinion as to whether this is a hormonal thing or behavioral issue? Can it be trained? If so, how?
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Sorry I don't have the answer to your question :( But Nickel also squat 'n pee and he is getting pretty good and has rarely wetted his front legs. He has lifted his leg twice so far.
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I don't know if it is super hormonal or anything... we have a greyhound that came to us as a 2 year old and has never peed like a "boy". He is 7 now. I think it is hit or miss, really lol.

Tate sometimes pees like a girl and sometimes raises his leg. Either way, he pees on himself When he lifts his leg to pee, he ends up curving his back too much trying to keep his balance and manages to pee all over his chest (we joke he is too well endowed).
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Same here Coco pees both ways. Olie has yet to lift his leg. I was told to get a post and stick it in the middle of the yard and train them that way. IDK if it works - just a idea that I remembered hearing.
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I have an 8 year old Lab who was neutered at 5mos old and NEVER lifted his leg. Then when he was six years old we adopted a dog from the shelter that lifted his leg and my lab started copying him... We no longer have that dog, unfortunately, but Sam will still lift his leg now and then. He's smart... if it is in the grass or rocks, he'll squat. But if he is on a walk he'll lift his leg so it gets on a bush and not on the sidewalk! It is indeed, peeing though, not marking. He will only do it once and he lets it ALL out... funny.

If you want him to lift his leg, take him around others that do it...that's my advice!

I personally LOVE that Sam mostly squats... so he doesn't pee on everything. But he also doesn't pee on himself, so that's a plus.
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Itty-bitty Pippin lifts his leg, and makes sure to mark wherever his he-man self has been. But Casey has not been copying him one little bit in that regard. Then last weekend, P. marked, and C. lifted his leg and marked right after him!! Totally astonished us, and I gave C. a treat.

Then he did it again later in the day. Another treat.

After that, nada. Back to squating.

It's annoying because invariably he will get some part of his front legs. I go through baby wipes like crazy, wiping him off when we get home.
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I had a border collie cross that squatted until he passed at 13. Same thing one big pee no marking but never hit himself. My spoo marks everything. He's white and in show coat and hits his front legs all the time. Mostly because he can't stay in one spot and finish. Has to start walking while still going. Silly. We made nylon covers for his front bracelets. I hope your guy can just figure out how to squat better. It's way nicer when they get it all over at once versus holding a bit for everything in sight. Good luck!
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It's way nicer when they get it all over at once versus holding a bit for everything in sight."
Sigh. I suppose.

I'll just have to get him some "rain gear" for his front legs. Basically it sounds like there is no reason to hold off neutering him then, as it sounds like dogs who behave like that rarely ever change. Might as well do the deed and get it over with in that case.
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Anyone have an opinion as to whether this is a hormonal thing or behavioral issue? Can it be trained? If so, how?[/QUOTE]

Beachgirl:

LOL welcome to the world of boys will be boys.
I live with two intact males, one 4 plus years old the other 8.5 months old.

There are dogs who will never lift their legs while others who will, which is more common and seen much more often than ones who still squatt but this behavior is normal and has nothing to do with hormones or anything else.

A stud dog will never squat to pee he would lift his leg.

A dog who urinates on the inside of his front legs will always do it whether he squats or lifts his leg.

My boy Cole forever urinates on his front legs, he takes turns doing them both, LOLO and GRRRRRR

I purchased from DogsInStyle Carol Beresh, (she is on this PF) two pairs of what we call pee booties. Putting them on the front legs of the dog before he goes out to do his business will prevent you having to clean the urine off the front legs. If you allow it to remain there it will start to smell awful and on a white dog is very unsightely.

The leggings (pee boots) will be a good solution for your dog.
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Good idea; I had forgotten that Carole makes those.

I have had male dogs since the early '80's and never, ever had one who didn't lift his leg once he was past puppyhood. I kept waiting for Casey to get the idea, but it's not happening.

Why do you say it's not hormonal and in the next sentence say a stud dog would never do this? I'm not getting the connection between why a "regular" un-neutered male might do this but never a stud dog.
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