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Old 08-10-2010, 03:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I wondered if anyone knows, or at least has a theory about why when you look at show poodles in the UK, they all seem to be in an English saddle, but over here I don't think dogs are every shown in that clip.

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Mind you - they look gorgeous and I like that there are no "bald" patches. But I bet its loads of work - so perhaps that is why. Too much work??
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Its is one of the 3 clips that are allowed in the AKC breed ring. Handlers in the US are more familiar with the continental and they feel it shows off the rear angulation and movement better....they are afraid to step outside their comfort zone and THEN more afraid of going in front of a judge who can't see THRU the HAIR. They think it might hurt their chances of winning.
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Personally I am not a fan of the English Saddle Clip, I like the Continental, love those bare legs. I do love the Modern as well, even though you can't see the skin.
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note that the link you posted shows the puppy lion/scandinanvian lion trim, which is different again to the english saddle trim!
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Altough I like that trim I dont love it, this is why i put Roxie in the German trim, if i decide to show her I will attempt to put her in the Continental trim.
But not many minis are shown in this trim, but i like to be different, I wish you could show them in any trim!
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Slightly off the topic, but then it was my topic! But I really think that the Continental in particular does poodles a disservice. I know that it probably was the breed club or maybe AKC or CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) or some kind of authority that decided that poodles could only be shown in one of those "fancy" clips, but I really do think that it puts people off.

When my son was looking for a dog, I suggested a black standard poodle but he rejected it right off. "I am NOT getting a poodle!!!" I think that if you could show a poodle in a regular normal "household" clip, pet people wouldn't have that "I am not get a dog that looks pooffy like that" attitude. They probably don't realize that poodles are retrievers and that they can look normal. They just see all that hair and those "silly" bobbles and they reject the breed out of hand.

I had exactly that attitude. I wanted a Goldendoodle. I like the shaggy casual look. I had actually been looking for a Goldendoodle. What put me off was the fact that people want $2,500 for a pet and then a friend in the kennel club talked me out of it and suggested a Mini poodle. But it wasn't until I had searched the Internet and found photos of poodles without the fancy hairdo, that I decided I would get a Poodle.

To this day, I still prefer the shaggy looks of a Goldendoodle's wavy coat to the curly hair of a Poodle. I am buying because of the temperament and because I found out that Poodles had not been bred to have no hair on their faces or feet!!!
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I agree - I would love to see poodles shown in a retriever clip - apart from anything else, it is much more difficult to disguise faults in a short clip. It sometimes seems that a show poodle is as much a test of the owner's ability to grow and manage coat, and the groomer's skills in dressing it, as it is of the structure and soundness of the dog. Opening up showing to clips that are easier to maintain would also bring more dogs and owners into showing, and in turn increase the pool of dogs considered excellent enough for breeding, which increases the size of the gene pool. While judges find it hard to accept a dog with an undocked tail, I suspect it will be an impossible task to get them to look at a short coated dog, though!
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Yes. Well said. At my agility class the other day, the instructor said he thought it was ridiculous that Poodles were judged according to how good their coat looked. I know that is not how its supposed to be, but I suspect that this is often the case!!
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Purley - way back when we got our first spoo (Tony) I felt the exact same way about the frou frou 'do putting people off. After 13 years of living with standard poodles and learning about the breed, the fancy 'dos have really grown on me!

I'm not saying I'm quite ready to have my spoos sporting full-blown CC's, but I have really begun to appreciate the look on show dogs! It is something so unique to poodles. I also really love the shaved butt look, ha ha!!!
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I personally prefer the Continental ((Though I've never seen any other clip in person...and only saw the Conti just Sunday XD )) but all of that rear angulation is delicious!!! and you can't hide a bad backside with the conti :]

a poodle isn't for everyone, but if someone is so deterred by the hair on a show dog thats their own beef not the breeds
lol it must be because I'm effeminate or something but when I saw a standard in full blown show coat I KNEW I had to have one instead of being all
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