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#1 ·
So I been thinking that I want my own poodle now ! so maybe when Enzo turns 6 months I will consider getting my own :D
 
#9 ·
LOL I wanted to get another red poodle but I am not too fawn of the fact they fade to a apricot color :( . So maybe a silver dog ? or black dog. if i get silver at least i expect him or her to get lighter lol Or maybe a parti poodle
 
#10 · (Edited)
Did you see that parti male needing a home on another thread? WOW talk about a looker!

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12798840

I bet its too far for you though...but I think a nice parti-colored standard is a GREAT idea!

I am bit "partial" to the parti-colored poodles though...so I guess you have to ignore my opinion as I am a bit biased on color! LOL

I don't think Enzo will fade as much as you think...he has the black points and if he has a strong red background then I bet he will stay a nice deep red. I have a female toy red with dark chocolate points and she has stayed a much darker red than I could have ever hoped! I think you will be surprised! I have seen some VERY dark adult standard poodles and even at 4+ yrs old I have seen them stay pretty dark!
 
#14 ·
If you are looking for a breeder with red standards that stay red, just look at the parents. A good breeder will not breed until the dogs are done with all testing, which is about 2 yrs old. A true red dog will have faded little by the time they are 2 yrs old...so if you find a breeder who has nice red adult standards and they are tested and over 2 yrs old...that breed will have nice red puppies that stay red.

Of course if you breed a red to a black you can get red puppies that have the potential to stay pretty red. Just ask to see a pedigree on the black dog to see if its mostly black and red with little cream and white in it. Most good breeders are proud to show off their dogs pedigree!
 
#17 ·
How tall is Paris ? I noticed that Trigger is only 23 inches for a male. Hopefully Paris has some height on her so you don't have to worry about getting small standard's. Either way its ok, but if Paris is only 23 inches too then your going to get small standard's. You'll just have to breed out to a larger dog when you breed her puppy later to bring the size back.
 
#19 · (Edited)
I been to but she is asking way too much for her puppies , I also looked over her dogs and I don't think they stayed that color I have emailed her and got no reply. I also read that she does not show in AKC or CKC because of the grooming. IMO that is a poor excuse not to show because she can pay a groomer to groom her dogs especially if she is charging 3k for them.

What I am finding that most of these Red breeders are posting pics of their dogs as pups and when they are young. I have not seen any passed 2 years or older with a red coat that stays.

I am going to be calling Terry Farley next week , I chatted with him through email and he seems so nice. I will see what he says about them fading.
 
#20 ·
I guess I really lucked out with Casey...I know she doesn't have papers, which I am not sure I would do with anyway.

I don't plan to show her, so if she is not show quality then I don't care.

I don't plan to breed her, since I can't show her and will never know if she has qualities besides a great personality to pass on to her offspring.

I know I could have her tested enough to see if her body is physically sound enough...but if Chicky Chat is going to have such fabulous reds and apricots here in Indiana I see no reason to give her any competition!

Although if she keeps a male from her trigger litter I might be tempted to have her tested knowing there is a nice quality male within 300 miles from me that is RED with a RED background. Hmmmm I guess it would just make more sense to just save up my money and hope she has another litter from Trigger in the next couple of years, although a litter of red and apricots running around the house would be cute as heck!

I know that Casey is a bot orangey more than the deep red and she will likely lighten more with age. I just hope that she doesn't turn chocolate or silver beige like I have seen some 2 yr old dogs do that were supposed to be red! We have a rescue male that was dark red as a pup, then lightened to chocolate/silver beige now at 2 yrs old...wild. I never saw his parents, but the paperwork says they were both red...but I bet they were also young dogs that had not faded yet. To me its more about the personality, but if red is what you want then I totally understand when you are willing to search for one. We had to go all the way to TN to find a true red female toy poodle, and we paid out the nose and that was for just CKC papers! We didn't get her to breed or show, so AKC papers were not needed in our opinion, besides that would have cost us alot more! I understand that people don't want the bloodlines getting out and therefore charge more for fully registered dogs, but the difference was SO much it was a little like they were more looking for the money. Its not like she had pups for sale on spay/neuter contracts, just more money for "better" paperwork. If I would have gotten a spayed puppy along with limited AKC papers I would have paid her more, but she wasn't interested in doing that.

I know a long time ago there was someone in Indiana that had nice reds, and her males name was Tigger...if I can find out more about her dogs or if she is still breeding I will pm you the info. I know she sent me some pics of Tigger as like a 14 month old and he was RED RED RED...I can't even remember her name or other info, but I liked Tigger so much the name stuck in my mind. When I saw the name "Trigger" it made me think of him!
 
#21 ·
Chicky Chat - Paris is Preston's brother right?
Roxy if you did get another puppy that was black or silver you should get one from Preston's human mama (Michelle Able). Honestly if I ever get another spoo, I believe I'll save up and buy from her. They take SUCH good care of their puppies and have them pretty much potty trained by the time they come with you. She takes all kinds of pictures and is a great person to work with. She had some beautiful blacks and silvers in her last liter. Do you live in Indiana? That is where Michelle is. If you don't, I probably have you confused with some of the others Indiana people on here. :)
 
#23 ·
Yeah I am in CA does she have a website ? I found another breeder that has maghony red poodles her dogd look like they stay that deep their whole life, I sent her a puppy application so I will see if I can visit her kennel.
 
#32 ·
If I were to get a red and wanted it for showing I would indeed call Karen. I also don't agree with the mixed breed designer breed, either...but I thought I would put her info up to be fair. When I first was looking at her web-site a few years back she only did standards and occasionally a Labradoodle because she also bred labs as well. I see that since the last time I looked she has added quite a few dogs and new "Crosses". I only mentioned her because I knew she had reds...

If I were looking for a show red or apricot I wouldn't probably go with anyone but Karen (at least if I didn't want to go outside Indiana) and just hope she had a red/apricot litter because I know her puppies go FAST!

If I were just looking for a standard poodle and weren't interested in showing or therapy assistance I would just go through the Indianapolis Poodle Rescue!

I just saw a post on www.craigslist.com in Indianapolis Indiana and they are begging for foster and permanent homes for poodles and mixes of all ages, shapes, colors and sizes! If you look up poodles on www.petfinder.com in Indiana there are over 50 dogs!
 
#37 ·
Chicky Chat - I just love Michelle, she and I email a couple of times a week!
She takes such good care of her puppies. I was really impressed following her last liter.
I went on the website you suggested and was sorry to hear about Karen's husband. Michelle said he wasn't doing well.
But I was pleasantly surprised when I looked on her expectent page - she is using Wrigley and Jenny (Sam I am's white girl) dad. He is the ice white poodle - Braeden. Small world!
 
#41 ·
Oh Roxy,

I most definatly agree about you looking for the color you like and then go from there. We all look for the color we would prefer from a breeder. Ecspecially with Poodle's you never know what will pop out.

Its kind of like Amstaffs....my husband and I prefer red and white dogs but if a fawn and white pup is the best dog in that litter then we seriously would consider it. Thats all Im getting at. lol

Oh, and Im not in the market for an Amstaff in case it came out like that. I still love the breed and there are some beautiful dogs that I would take a pup from but I just can't justify breeding Amstaffs. The way the breed population is at this point is just aweful. I really don't see it improving in the future which is very sad. Poor bully's!
 
#43 ·
I agree when i was looking into getting a APBT I wanted a black one simply because you don't see all black apbt too often. I based my choice on bloodlines , temperment , health etc... When I get into my own house I will get me a boudreaux dog or a dog off gambler's virgil bloodline. I found other dogs that where not black that I would take in a heart beat. I found a breeder who had red nose dogs and they seemed to fit what i was looking for.

Yeah poor amstaffs I don't think anyone will get back on track with this breed.
 
#45 ·
Roxy said;
I have met many breeders who I would consider getting a dog from and they do not have a website or have a crappy one.

When I get into my own house I will get me a boudreaux dog or a dog off gambler's virgil bloodline.

Me again lol;
Ok I see where the difference is coming up here. What I consider a nice bred Amstaff/APBT is and what one is in your opinion are two HUGE differences. That's totally fine but we will have to agree to disagree. lol
 
#46 ·
Have you ever tried to find someone to do a good website for you without hiring a professional??? It's nearly impossible. I have tried and tried and everyone says they will do one for you, but they NEVER end up doing one, or helping. I eventually had to learn myself and I'm still not good at it. I'm trying though.

http://www.luckypoodle.com

If you do hire a professional to do it , plan on paying thousands of dollars.
You really can't judge someones quality of dogs on their website. I've seen dogs with many championships at shows whose owners beg me to make them a website... HA... I'm struggling enough on my own.
 
#47 ·
Regarding the website comments: Websites are not hard to make look good regardless of how much you know. Nor does it have to cost a fourtune.

I use a template based free web host and I have to say my site looks good :p Plouf Parti Poodles I know very little about HTML or CSS of what have you.

I hate seeing a breeders website look shitty, to me that means they don't care what people think or see when they long on *shrug* Its kind of like going to a breeders house and the place is a mess and they can;t show you anything because they don't know where its at.

Anyway....
 
#48 ·
Like I said before.....When I say nice website's Im meaning tastful and informative with nice dogs. Not meaning ghetto and neat with piles. I have seen websites that seem nice but you can tell right off the back they have crappy dogs if you know the standard of the breed well enough.

Chickychat,

Your website for instance doesn't look like bad at all. Its clean looking, not distracting and you have decent pics of your dogs. I don't mean decent in a bad way, but your pics aren't stacked pics. Well Trigger is semi stacked. If I was in the market for pet a (not knowing you at all) from your site I would think that your just beginning in breeding Poodles. You definitely know your health testing and seem like a reputable person to purchase a pet from. By the way Im only saying pet because neither Paris or Trigger have any show experience. If I were looking for a serious show potential I would go to a site that show's me they have a fair amount of experience breeding show dogs.

Then like you said.......you know people with Ch dogs that are begging you to do a website. Ok, so they don't have site yet. I never mentioned that people with out a site have bad dogs. Also having a Ch title on a dog doesn't mean its a great dog conformationally. Thats where all the politics come into dog showing.
 
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