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Old 08-03-2010, 04:16 PM   #171 (permalink)
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Pinky:

First, you asked about what to say to the news station. Here's what I recommend - emphasize that puppy mills, being squeezed by Puppy Lemon Laws and bad press all over the US, have come up with a new scheme that uses the internet as a front. That's the new wrinkle here, and new things are what the "news" likes to report. (They've probably already done a story about puppy mills.) Explain that Pure Bred Breeders is a brokerage or front for literally hundreds of websites selling just about every breed, nationwide. The sites might look a little different, but they all have the same 800 number and are all run by the same LLC. Give them the 800 number I gave you in an earlier post, and let them Google it for themselves. It instantly makes the point - if not from puppy mills, where are all these dogs coming from?

Next, you aren't going to be hearing from their "lawyers." Think about it. What exactly are they going to do to you?

Finally, the AZ Puppy Lemon law is quite explicit:

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44-1799.05. Purchaser remedies for sale of unfit cats or dogs; requirements; exceptions

A. A cat or dog that is purchased from a pet dealer is considered to be unfit for sale if either of the following applies:

1. Within fifteen days after the purchaser takes possession of the animal, a veterinarian who is licensed pursuant to title 32, chapter 21, states in writing that in the veterinarian's opinion the cat or dog has become ill or otherwise symptomatic due to any illness, injury or other defect that existed in the animal before the purchaser took possession of the animal.
2. Within sixty days after the purchaser takes possession of the animal, a veterinarian who is licensed pursuant to title 32, chapter 21 states in writing that the animal has a congenital or hereditary condition that adversely affects the health of the animal or that requires or is likely to require hospitalization or nonelective surgical procedures.
Item #1 above certainly applies here, and that's all that's required for the Law to take effect.

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44-1799.07. Presumption of illness

A. It is a rebuttable presumption that an illness or a congenital or hereditary defect existed at the time of sale if the cat or dog dies within fifteen days after the purchaser takes possession of the cat or dog.
According to Wikipedia, a "rebuttable presumption" means an "assumption made by a court, one that is taken to be true unless someone comes forward to contest it and prove otherwise." That means they are going to attempt to show that you were negligent in your care. But you know that already. You need to have signed, official copies of all the records from the vets you took Charlie to in your hands, along with receipts. That you "refused" treatment at one facility and transferred Charlie to another only shows that you were doing everything within your means to deal with the untenable situation that they thrust you into.

Once this hits the media, how do you think they are going to look, coming after you? Who will have more credibility - the heartbroken recipient of a dying puppy, or the shady front for a nationwide network of puppy mills, one that has had dozens of complaints filed against them in multiple states, not to mention a "C-" grade from the BBB. (For the BBB, a grade of C- might as well be an F.)

In the end, you might or might not get your money back. That sucks, for sure. But whatever happens, if you can get the word out about the perils of buying a puppy from an internet brokerage, you will have won, big time.
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I wanted to bring this information to your attention that some puppied died on their way by air from OKLAHOMA to Chicago. There may (I don't know but...) be a connection and if there is I am sure the media would love to break that news story. And since it happened on an American Airlines plane perhaps AA would also help find out who was responsible. This is all tragic, don't get me wrong, it troubles me deeply that Pinkie's dog died and that these dogs have died, but my focus is on making it stop so I have no time for emotion.
Dead Puppies Arrive On American Airlines Flight - cbs2chicago.com
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:28 PM   #173 (permalink)
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In the end, you might or might not get your money back. That sucks, for sure. But whatever happens, if you can get the word out about the perils of buying a puppy from an internet brokerage, you will have won, big time.
Absolutely. That is exactly what I intend on doing. Screw the money, that's on me for making an uneducated purchase but I'm sure as hell going to tarnish their name. I am definitely going to stress not to ever buy a puppy online and that all they are is a brokerage.

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A. It is a rebuttable presumption that an illness or a congenital or hereditary defect existed at the time of sale if the cat or dog dies within fifteen days after the purchaser takes possession of the cat or dog.

so thanks for bringing that to my attention. They're screwed. They know it, I know it and I will do all I can to make sure this story gets told. From what I was reading about puppy mills I guess they are illegal, but they have a loophole with selling online bc the law was written before the internet was around so they couldn't predict this kind of activity. Am I understanding this correctly? Something needs to be done about this. I feel like nothing I do will be enough until all puppy mills are shut down but I know that won't happen. The people that do this crap are so horrible.
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Pinky - I hope you saw my above post. I also hope you will get in touch with Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. These people are 1) honest no hidden agenda people and 2) have already been involved in the Puppy mill issues for literally years. Why reinvent a wheel when you can get help and knowledge from an existing group? They can help you. They are a very well known large entity. They started the Puppies Aren't Products campaign. Get them your info so they can use it as likely additional factual info against the responsible parties. If Pinky is no longer reading anything I am writing I am hoping someone else here will get this across. Did you see how many puppies were on that American Airlines plane? Where do that many puppies come from other than brokers and mills?????????
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I did contact them one last time telling them that I wanted a refund for not only Charlie but her vet bills and the airport boarding fee they had me pay and will not accept anything other than that. I told them they were reported to The Humane Society, Better Business Bureau, Attorney General and my local news will be airing a segment about them. She is blowing up my phone now, but I e-mailed her saying I want all contact to be done via e-mail for record keeping purposes. Either she hasn't read my e-mail or she's ignoring it bc she's called me 3 times alone while I've been writing this post.
yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love it how you are moving forward like a steam engine in full throttle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keep it up, jess.....this will be your healing!!!!!!!!! i can't even keep up with all the posts!!!! this site is full of amazing people !!!!!!
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look at you go!

now document every time she calls.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that I caught her in a lie bc she mentioned something about refunding vet bills. I told her she just said it's in the contract that they don't refund vet bills but she said if Charlie was alive they would but since she died they won't. She tried making me seem like a bad owner. She said the breeder doesn't WANT to send me another puppy so that's why they're willing to refund me. This contradicts her previous story that the puppy would come from a different breeder. Making it sound like I'm such a horrible owner that they don't even want one of their puppies to be with me. Ugh! My feelings are so hurt. I need to shake it off.
i hope you realize you have these people tripping all over themselve - they've been through this before, obviously !!! most people would've caved by now!! NOT OUR PINKY !!
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Hell hath no fury like a woman whose dog has been messed with!

Go Pinky Go!
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Hell hath no fury like a woman whose dog has been messed with!

Go Pinky Go!
HAAAA !!! So true !
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I admire fiesty people who know when they are right, and respect the ones who fight for a good cause against some odds.

I will put on my boxing gloves and go to war, legally as well with anyone who conducts themselves in the manner that Pinky's breeder conducted herself and still does inspite of her lack of ethics staring her in her face.
She has no leg to stand on so I say, GO get'em pinky !
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