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Old 04-20-2010, 02:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My pup Ilusion that I just got on the weekend has a canine lower tooth that has penetrated into her palate. My vet told me that the permanent tooth will grow into her palate too as it will come in beside the baby tooth on the inside of her mouth. My vet said it will make her have an overbite since the lower jaw can't grow properly since that tooth is stuck in her palate.
My breeder does not believe in removing it and said it will work itself out.
My vet will charge me $500.00 to take it out. I do not want to pay this since I have just paid alot of money for my top quailty standard poodle.
My breeder has offered for me to take to her vet for an opinion and if it needs to come out then she will pay for it. But she is not close to me. Has anyone ever had a tooth like this before? What did you do?
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This is called Base Canine Narrow and it is common in some lines of Poodles (I think we should work to breed away from this, but that is another story).

My opinion. These baby teeth are not that much of an issue even though they look nasty going up into the gums. I have found that the puppies eat and manage just fine. I'm not sure why your vet thinks that the baby canine will not fall out and make room for the adult tooth.

All that said, it is IMPERATIVE that you work on the adult canines as they come in to get them to spread and move to the outside of the gums. If the adult canines go up into the gums, you will have a whole world of trouble and you may need orthodontic work. However, the good news is that once in correct place, the adult cannines will in fact hold things together and pull the jaw into the right place.

I have had excellent luck manually moving emerging adult canines that look like they are going to be narrow. With my thumbs, I gently press outward on the inside of the canines multiple times a day and encourage them to flare. Once they pop over the edge of the gum, they will stay in place.
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Poodlelover, I KNOW exactly how you feel. I had it happen to me. After paying $1000 and driving a few hours and getting home and inspecting every square inch of the puppy, I discovered the crooked tooth. My breeder brushed it off, I kept calling, sending photos, went to dental specialists and everything. It did NOT straighten out with adult teeth. However it causes no problems whatsoever. There is not a hole (or a pocket that collects food and bacteria) Her teeth and pure white and she is 9 years. But to me it was a huge flaw. I have always been bugged by it. She had a recent litter and one male puppy had it too. I showed it to the people who came to buy him. I also showed him what his mothers mouth is like. I didn't hide it. The puppy was $300, for a pet which is a heck of a lot different that representing your dogs as super high quality, blah blah blah.
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poodlelover, My breeder recommended the same thing as Carol. Use your thumbs and give just a small amount of pressure(your thumbs should not turn white at the pressure point) do this about 3 times daily for a bit more than a minute.

In this situation the adult tooth can come in a bit behind the baby tooth, but the baby tooth should still fall out quickly and make room for the other. Is there something else going on that makes your Vet think it wouldn't?
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Well see this is where the breeder should have told you this ahead of time so that you could have decided if you wanted to deal with it or not when choosing from a litter. I think that if you handle your pups enough and have had them to the vet, they knew it was there and like that. Sorry you are stuck having to deal with it. I can say that I knew that Harry had this issue and in fact his teeth did correct themselves when the adult teeth came in but I know it doesn't always happen that way.
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Thanks everyone, I am pushing the tooth a few times a day. I hope it works.
My vet thinks that the permanent tooth will grow on the inside of the baby tooth and grow into the Palate too.
My breeder told me about the tooth after I paid and signed the papers and was on the way out the door. I did not know there was a hole in the palate.
I just wanted to get home with her.
I am waiting to here back from her breeder and I can only go in a few weeks, I work every day so I have to go on a Saturday and I am working the next two Saturdays.
I hope it corrects itself.
I will let you know what happens.
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Thanks everyone, I am pushing the tooth a few times a day. I hope it works.
Pushing on the baby tooth will not do much because the tooth has created a hole in the roof of the mouth and that hole tends to slip the canine back and hold it in place.

Is the adult tooth coming in? This is what needs to be pushed on. Also, you can wiggle the baby canine to encourage it to fall out.

Who is the breeder on this litter?
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Isn't this the pup from Tango?

I feel like this should have been disclosed before you signed anything as well.

I do not have a link, but on the canine repro and puppy care yahoo group that I am on, some people (with standards) were saying something about the vet "nipping" the baby tooth with nail clippers, and then using the method that Cbrand was talking about, once the adult tooth was coming in.

I would not pull the tooth, just have the vet take the tip off of it. so that the adult tooth still has a space to come in.
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Man that ticks me off for you! She told you AFTER you paid her and signed the papers?! I mean how would she have felt if you had signed papers, paid her, as you were walking out the door said "oh by the way I guess I should tell you that this dog is going to be an outside dog 24/7." Then just left. I mean isn't that something she would have wanted to know ahead of time in order to decide if you were the right home for that dog? It's just dishonest and shady and I'm glad I know that this breeder acted this way, ugh.
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Oh my ...

I tried to warn everybody about teeth so many times : (( and I am sorry that you still got duped

Yes- it happens that some pups have overbite - but it is a major fault and possibly a long term health problem and puppy buyer needs to be informed !!!!!!

I am so sorry and I hope it will work itself out somehow : (( My friend had to pay 2000$ for braces for her Bearded Collie and I swore right than and there that I would NEVER take a puppy with the wrong bite - period !!!!

ESPECIALLY NOT for that amount of money !!!!
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