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pagan-poodle · 10-28-2008, 08:10 AM

How would you know if your puppy is show standard??Just curious

mercymoon · 10-28-2008, 08:26 AM

Good question! I find myself wondering the same thing...

For example if I was going to purchase a new poodle puppy
(I'M NOT!!!!

) what would I look for if I was wanting to
show?

Purple Poodle · 10-28-2008, 08:59 AM

Well you need to get a series of stack photos and compare it to the standard of perfection.

All Poodles have the same standard as they are considered one breed save for their size. So to be of show/breeding quality you dog would have to have Poodle type.

They should be square in body, that means from the point of chest to the point of hip should be equal as the hight from withers to ground. Level topline and a good tail set, not low and not too high.

They should have a moderate stop with a slightly rounded top skull, with ears set in line with the eyes. The muzzle should be well defined with a closed lip, flat cheeks and it should be the same in length as the skull.

There are also minute things that are looked at by judges but a well put together dog will stand out.

Normally what the puppy looks like at 8 weeks they will look like when mature so if you have a nice puppy you will more then likely have a nice dog.

So when I look at a potential show pup I want so see a nice square animal with good head shape, well set ears, not to much rear angulation, nice fore frount and chest.

To me this is a nice puppy

If you have a dog in mind post some pictures!

pagan-poodle · 10-28-2008, 09:32 AM

How about daisy??Shes now 9 weeks old??I will try and get a better pic

SECRETO · 10-28-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Poodle

Well you need to get a series of stack photos and compare it to the standard of perfection.

All Poodles have the same standard as they are considered one breed save for their size. So to be of show/breeding quality you dog would have to have Poodle type.

They should be square in body, that means from the point of chest to the point of hip should be equal as the hight from withers to ground. Level topline and a good tail set, not low and not too high.

They should have a moderate stop with a slightly rounded top skull, with ears set in line with the eyes. The muzzle should be well defined with a closed lip, flat cheeks and it should be the same in length as the skull.

There are also minute things that are looked at by judges but a well put together dog will stand out.

Normally what the puppy looks like at 8 weeks they will look like when mature so if you have a nice puppy you will more then likely have a nice dog.

So when I look at a potential show pup I want so see a nice square animal with good head shape, well set ears, not to much rear angulation, nice fore frount and chest.

To me this is a nice puppy

If you have a dog in mind post some pictures!

You will never have a perfect dog though. So if your dog has a slightly longer back but everything else is very nice..then take that. Bigest things with poodles that will tell you right away if you have a show potential is; tail set, movement, and feet. You can't hide or camouflage those things. Also an 8 weeks beautiful puppy can still fall apart later. Yes, they say what it looks like at 6 or 8 wks is what it should mature to conformation wise but that doesn't always happen. Ive seen many dogs fall apart right at that 10-11 month age that looked great at 6-8 wks.

I have a stacked pic of my boy Mikey that I intend to show soon. Im not thrilled about his head but everything else is good so far. He is almost 11 months. Try to take a few side stacked, front, and rear stacked pics of your baby. Here is a stacked pick of my boy below... he's not perfect but he has nice qualities I like in a Poodle.

pagan-poodle · 10-28-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SECRETO

You will never have a perfect dog though. So if your dog has a slightly longer back but everything else is very nice..then take that. Bigest things with poodles that will tell you right away if you have a show potential is; tail set, movement, and feet. You can't hide or camouflage those things. Also an 8 weeks beautiful puppy can still fall apart later. Yes, they say what it looks like at 6 or 8 wks is what it should mature to conformation wise but that doesn't always happen. Ive seen many dogs fall apart right at that 10-11 month age that looked great at 6-8 wks.

I have a stacked pic of my boy Mikey that I intend to show soon. Im not thrilled about his head but everything else is good so far. He is almost 11 months. Try to take a few side stacked, front, and rear stacked pics of your baby. Here is a stacked pick of my boy below... he's not perfect but he has nice qualities I like in a Poodle.

I think hes beautiful

I will try take pics tomorrow

Purple Poodle · 10-28-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SECRETO

You will never have a perfect dog though. So if your dog has a slightly longer back but everything else is very nice..then take that. Bigest things with poodles that will tell you right away if you have a show potential is; tail set, movement, and feet. You can't hide or camouflage those things. Also an 8 weeks beautiful puppy can still fall apart later. Yes, they say what it looks like at 6 or 8 wks is what it should mature to conformation wise but that doesn't always happen. Ive seen many dogs fall apart right at that 10-11 month age that looked great at 6-8 wks.

I have a stacked pic of my boy Mikey that I intend to show soon. Im not thrilled about his head but everything else is good so far. He is almost 11 months. Try to take a few side stacked, front, and rear stacked pics of your baby. Here is a stacked pick of my boy below... he's not perfect but he has nice qualities I like in a Poodle.

Of coarse there is no perfect dog but you want to get as close as you can. You can never guarantee what a puppy will turn into but at 8 weeks you should have a pretty good idea.

I agree that a few minor faults are acceptable and like you said a few that make the animal a DQ.

Yes get some standing and stack pictures of Daisy for us, as of right now I'm leaning towards not quite show worthy

Sivaro · 10-28-2008, 12:44 PM

Actually, you can never go by a photo, some photos can make a nice dog look crappy, and an average dog look quality. Although I have had to do the same in the past but these show ppl I knew and trusted.

A show pup really can be only sold as show potential, they can start off really nice then end up pet quality through changing all the time. You just have to hope they continue to grow as nice as they started. Im sorry guys but those pics posted of puppies laying down show you nothing about the dog only that they is cute. You need stacking shots, movement shots from front, behind and side angel. Temperament is the first thing I look for, without the temperament then its not a show dog. Then I look for attitude, if they dont have that proud attitude they sometimes dont look the part in the ring, then after that I pick the dog to pieces.

As PP said, there is no perfect dog out there. Everydog will have a fault, you just have to find the ones with the less amount of faults. A good breeder will know what to recognise in their puppies.

Pamela · 10-28-2008, 01:53 PM

i think Daisy is beautiful!!!

Blue Fox · 10-28-2008, 03:58 PM

It would certainly be a good start to find a breeder you trust who is showing and breeding quality dogs. Get to know them, show them your serious and learn as much as you can. Reading the breed standard and trying to find the good and bad points on your existing dog(s) is lots of fun. I know I would never be able to pick a show puppy as I just don't have the experience, so I would have to rely on the breeder doing the right thing by me and choosing me a pup with potential. As Siv said the pup only has potential and no-one can guarantee you a winner as a baby.