Names of dogs: Saffron (Spoo), Duke (Dobe), Coco (Englsh Toy Trr), Walter (Lab/Newf)
Poodle Type: Standard
Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
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In Europe, I'm pretty sure they allow breeding of Poodles of different sizes, as long as it's no more than 10 cm.
I think this makes sense, because the structure would be kinda wrong when breeding a standard to a miniature,
I've seen a breeding like this, the dog's head it weird, it's legs are weird, it's body it weird, and it's tail is weird.
Names of dogs: Holly, Iris and Wiz, Quincy and Journey
Poodle Type: Standard red and black
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I have seen some glorious Moyen's on some European web sites. A lot of North American Moyen breeders are importing from Europe and breeding them to their smaller Standards. I am not sure yet how I feel about it, but do know that this size is likely a potential gold mine for the people who breed them. I also think there is going to be a much bigger risk in the health of the pups because the toys and minis have problems that are exclusive to the toys and minis, as do the Standards, so now it will be interesting to see what happens when they start getting the genes of the minis and standards all rolled into one dog.
Moyens are the "new" craze. Understand, though, that in Europe, they are not created by combining Minis with Standards, but typically by breeding Minis up in size.
Minis and Standards may be the same breed, but they are very different in type and temperament. If you took a Gamma Ray and enlarged a Mini, it would not look or act like a Standard. I would not consider the Mini/Standard breedings I have seen to be successful. Usually the Poodles are a combination of parts that don't all work together. Also, by breeding the two varieties together you introduce the health issues of both breeds.
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If you read the previous red poodle thread , you would have read that the Red Standard poodle was originally developed by aMini/Standard breeding. Interesting stuff.. As far as the success of the Moyen/klein that remains to be seen . Lots of European breeders are doing this. And some Canadian Breeders are jumping into the mix. and importing dogs from Germany Bringing in some very much needed diversity..
I personally am very excited to see the outcome...
Karin is breeding some wonderful dogs. They have great structure, and introduce some much needed diversity. Even Helen King, who has the infamous Mini Me with the problems, has high praise for them, as she's tested some of the litters.
But, - Karins dogs are for the most part very well suited for agility, and prolly need a job, not just laying on the couch. One of the members here has one of Karins pups.
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