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Of course a puppy from champion parents would comand a higher price. The question was what makes a byb. I think that a byb is someone who gets two registered dogs and lets nature take its course. No thought of health testing, waiting till they are at least 2 years old, just in it to make a profit.

I am not uposed to titling your dogs, I think it is a great way to get out and enjoy your companion. I don't think they should be titled just to bring a higher price either. that being said I would expect to pay more for a dog from champion parents and would in fact seek them out if I was interested in showing.

jak

They don't even have to be registered to be BYB over here!!

I think what a lot of people don't realise, that when poodles are closest to the standard, in terms of structure, that generally means they are healthy.

Of course temperament, health testing and everything else is important too.
But I'd much rather seek out a puppy from champion lines than one without.

flyingduster

I wasn't even thinking of just championed in the conformation ring, because the breed ring can be such a political place that I take it with a grain of salt. I would expect a great breeder to be actively showing and winning some sort of titles in *something* though, be it the breed ring, or the obedience.agility/etc ring! I certainly wouldn't call them a byb if they didn't show, as more comes into it than simply not showing, but personally I want a pup that has parents that can prove themselves to be as amazing as standard poodles should be, not just breeding pets....

jak

Yes! Exactly!

Harley_chik

Well I'm glad you're not opposed to titles. My point was, if someone who doesn't title their dog charges the same price as a breeder who does, I question their motives. They aren't investing as much in their litters, so why would they charge as much unless they are interested in profit. I don't think any breeder shows to command a higher price either. $1500 is a number that gets thrown around a lot and here in TX you can get a puppy out of tested and titled parents for that. I would be leary of someone charging $1500 for anything less. (Again that's in TX, prices vary greatly by geography.)

I agree w/ FD too, a breeder doesn't have to show in AKC conformation to get titles on their dogs. If a breeder does anything w/ their dogs it shows they are making an effort, even if it's just getting a CGC.

Fluffyspoos

This is a prime example of a byb.. local classifides here. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218...&cat=447&lpid=

Mercury's Mom

Is that a photo of the bitch?? That poor thing looks HORRIBLE! Either sick or abused is my assumption. They need a stud urgently? Is the world gonna end if they can populate the world with sickly pups? Oh, and another thing, there is no such thing as a french poodle...unless they want a stud imported from France.

Spencer

Agreed! That poor dog!

I have learned quite a bit through this thread, good job, M.M.!