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roxy25 · 10-21-2009, 07:23 AM

does anyone have any tips ?

Enzo is difficult to get trotting right in the ring he wants to run. We need a new show collar and not sure which one to get. Our problem is keeping the chain high on the neck.

We will take him to this UKC show on sunday just for kicks lol I am meeting my friend there because he wants to show me his new amstaff puppy that he will soon be showing AKC.

He gets the standing part right. Now when we say stand ( i will see if I get it on tape lol) he walks to us and puts his face in our hand and positions him self lol.

akbritt · 10-21-2009, 08:34 AM

A UKC show will be good practices for Enzo, UKC tends to be very lenient.
Good Luck to you and Enzo...I'm sure he will do wonderfully.

flyingduster · 10-21-2009, 10:34 AM

if you can get a better lead & loop rather than a chain it'll help, then you can tighten it up (obviously not actually TIGHT though!!) so that it sits high on his neck & in his neck hair, and *can't* really slip down! Other than that, the training will certainly help, just keep at it, stopping when he runs, and getting him trotting again, and he'll figure out that trotting is the way to go!

cbrand · 10-21-2009, 11:03 AM

You have to band the lead in with a tiny rubber band. Band it in and then spray up.

I would think that a chain would be the best choice for a dog who tends to be too forward.

roxy25 · 10-21-2009, 12:49 PM

We tried the leather loop and that seem to do good but we can't find one to fit. What about the hex/snake link chains ?

How long should it be ? I think Enzo's nexk is 18" his last chain was 22 or 24 I forgot?

we had these and this one was crap
http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm...ide_Show_Leads

this one barely fit over his head ( it was leather though)
http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm...rtingale_Leads

roxy25 · 10-21-2009, 12:52 PM

what is the difference between this type of collar and a regular chain ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DOG-SHOW-CON...item2ea8028eec

KPoos · 10-21-2009, 01:17 PM

I don't show yet but this is like the lead that the breeder gave me to train Jasper. She's used it a lot I think.
http://www.jbpet.com/Resco-Cordo-Hyd...-Lead,198.html

cbrand · 10-21-2009, 02:32 PM

20" collar ???? That seems very large. You don't want them to have a bunch of play in the collar. I would think a 16-18" would be fine.

You don't want to use a martingale type collar like the one you posted because it catches the hair. Ditto the one Kpoos posted. I'm surprised that a poodle person would give you one of these because I would think the coat would catch in that slide.

My handler uses the following show collars with a matching lead:

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm..._Choke_Collars

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm...E_Snake_Chains

If Enzo is running, you need to 1. slow his gait back to a trot and 2. get him to carry himself.

Too many dogs pull/hang on their leads, poke their heads and necks and sort of skitter around the ring. This is the kiss of death in a Poodle who is supposed to have upright carriage and movement with suspension.

Some people simply string a Poodle up. This is where you hold a very tight and short leash and basically hold up the dog. Many dogs will fight this or they will gag in the ring. I saw one dog actually throw up. I think it is ugly and you will run across judges every now and then who will make you show a poodle on a loose lead.

I think a better method is what in horses we call a half halt. This check and release.... check and release method encourages a Poodle to collect himself up and move with good self carriage. I've seen Betty Brown use this method.

thestars · 10-21-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbrand

20" collar ???? That seems very large. You don't want them to have a bunch of play in the collar. I would think a 16-18" would be fine.

You don't want to use a martingale type collar like the one you posted because it catches the hair. Ditto the one Kpoos posted. I'm surprised that a poodle person would give you one of these because I would think the coat would catch in that slide.

My handler uses the following show collars with a matching lead:

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm..._Choke_Collars

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm...E_Snake_Chains

If Enzo is running, you need to 1. slow his gait back to a trot and 2. get him to carry himself.

Too many dogs pull/hang on their leads, poke their heads and necks and sort of skitter around the ring. This is the kiss of death in a Poodle who is supposed to have upright carriage and movement with suspension.

Some people simply string a Poodle up. This is where you hold a very tight and short leash and basically hold up the dog. Many dogs will fight this or they will gag in the ring. I saw one dog actually throw up. I think it is ugly and you will run across judges every now and then who will make you show a poodle on a loose lead.

I think a better method is what in horses we call a half halt. This check and release.... check and release method encourages a Poodle to collect himself up and move with good self carriage. I've seen Betty Brown use this method.

I use those exact collars. Typically the tan nylon one for regular training and gold hex for shows. I also bought a tan nylon lead at 24 inches and spray painted the silver clasp gold. The shorter lead works wonders and easy to keep all in your hand. Hated the cordo hyde leads. I use an 18" gold hex on Bindi. It just goes over tight, but I put it on before we do the top knot.

Where is the best place to hide the bands? Do they usually attach the collar to a wiggie?

roxy25 · 10-21-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbrand

20" collar ???? That seems very large. You don't want them to have a bunch of play in the collar. I would think a 16-18" would be fine.

You don't want to use a martingale type collar like the one you posted because it catches the hair. Ditto the one Kpoos posted. I'm surprised that a poodle person would give you one of these because I would think the coat would catch in that slide.

My handler uses the following show collars with a matching lead:

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm..._Choke_Collars

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm...E_Snake_Chains

If Enzo is running, you need to 1. slow his gait back to a trot and 2. get him to carry himself.

Too many dogs pull/hang on their leads, poke their heads and necks and sort of skitter around the ring. This is the kiss of death in a Poodle who is supposed to have upright carriage and movement with suspension.

Some people simply string a Poodle up. This is where you hold a very tight and short leash and basically hold up the dog. Many dogs will fight this or they will gag in the ring. I saw one dog actually throw up. I think it is ugly and you will run across judges every now and then who will make you show a poodle on a loose lead.

I think a better method is what in horses we call a half halt. This check and release.... check and release method encourages a Poodle to collect himself up and move with good self carriage. I've seen Betty Brown use this method.

Well the 18 inch barely fits over his head

I dont know about horse training so what is a half halt ? I agree I do not like how the handlers string a dog up, I always see the hacking and gagging we never do this with Enzo.