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Old 02-12-2013, 11:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am very frustrated right now, and really need some one to explain this to me. As you all know Remington is a rescue. He did have papers (CKC), but when I was accused of just wanting him for breeding purposes by the lady I rescued him from I tore his papers up... He is as far as I know a "pure breed". This doesn't really matter to me, as I love him no matter what... However, last night I took him for a walk and this woman stops us and asks what breed he is. I respond he is a standard poodle. She out and out calls me a liar. She said if he were a "pure breed" his nose would be black, and not liver in color. When his nose first changed in winter, I took him to the vet. He said there was nothing wrong with Remi and that it would change color with the season, and it does. He has a darker brown/black noses in the summer, as we spend more time outside. I don't know why it bothers me so much, but that woman really hurt my feelings/and made me mad. Is there anything that you all can think of that would troublesome with his nose being liver? I don't breed him, he isn't in any kind of show... I know that his breeder was probably a byb... I know he doesn't have great genes... I just felt so belittled by this woman....
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The person was showing off her lack of knowledge.
Some colors have to have brown noses, other colors may have brown noses. Lighter colored "winter noses" aren't really brown they just look brownish due to the lose of pigment during that time period
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I don't really know what color I would call Remington... perhaps a cream? He has an almost apricot color down his back, but the rest of him is a dirty white-ish color when he is not covered in mud lol However his ears are starting to get a gray color at their base... He looks like a patchwork poodle... So, is the lighter nose common in cream pups? Gee I feel stupid right now :(
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That person didn't know what she was talking about. If she had told you "If he were a purebred he wouldn't have any teeth!", you most likely wouldn't have been hurt. Because you know that's bogus! She's just mistaken and not only is she "showing off her lack of knowledge" (never heard it put that way before, Spindledreams!), she's also showing off her lack of compassion by putting down another person. You don't need to be a Poodle or dog or DNA expert to be a wonderful mom to Remington. You have nothing to feel bad about! : ) If you encounter that lady again, ask her if you can visit her kennel because you'd *love* to see all her correctly bred show Poodles! ; )
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Remi is a pure bred Spoo , cream colored. I have a cream and her nose does the exact same thing. She came from great breeding, Ch. bloodlines, health tested ect. People don't know what they are talking about!
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I always know I can come here and ask my poodle experts anything and everything!
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I am so sorry Sweetheartsrodeo that you have had to deal with such a horrible mean spirited person! So many people seem to need to hurt others in order to feel better about themselves. But that is a deception and so they are then looking for the next person to inflict with their venom in order to feel good again and on it goes.

Just know that Remi is a purebred poodle and many purebreds of all breeds have Winter nose.

I have decided after research that it has a great deal to do with Vit D as it is some thing that shows up in winter when the sun is less strong and we and our babies spend less time in the sun. I have had more dogs in recent years have winter nose, and have searched for answers about this mystery. It is something that is a syndrome that comes and goes and seems to happen even more the farther north you live. At least if what I have read can be trusted. That is why I suspect Vit D. Although I do know that vitamins do not work alone so it probably needs other vitamins and minerals to work it's magic.

My Angel's nose is darker on raw even in winter than it was earlier on kibble. So I am still working it out.

Just consider yourself hugged and know that we know the truth and that is that Remi is a blessing and so are you.
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Yes, both liver and black noses are acceptable in standard poodles. Any dogs in the "brown" spectrum (brown, cafe, silver beige) should have liver noses. All others should have black noses, however apricots and creams can have liver noses.

That said for educational purposes, Remi's nose is not liver. It's simply lost it's pigment. This can be seasonal, or can be permanent, and is no indication of the quality of breeding of the dog. Here's a white female that came from great (Ch.) bloodlines, but her nose faded permanently by the time she was about 1 year old (photo also attached of her and a littermate, who retained black pigment, at 7 weeks old). Her pigment is black, not liver (black eyerims, lips, etc.). Her nose is just faded.





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Angel's Mommy, you are such a dear! I love Remington no matter what, and know he was God's gift to me. I have read too that it is a deficiency on something, I also read that if you feed out of plastic, that it can bleach the nose and lips... Well, his lips are all black, so I am not buying that.... But the lack of D, that makes sense to me.... Both Remington and I are water babies in the summer; we live in and around the pool....
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Sookster,

That is almost exactly what Remi's nose looks like....

Let me say why I don't believe he came from a reputable breeder.... The bf of the woman I took him from was stationed with my ex. He told Chris they saw the pup in a parking lot and his gf just had to have him... Then went on to say that they were told AKC registered, but it ended up being CKC, and that was when the gf lost interest in Remi... From there he was moved outside to a kennel, and well eventually igmored b/c the woman said she was scared of him... It would seem to me that a quality breeder would have not been selling dogs in a parking lot, and would have known the difference between AKC/CKC. As I have said before though, none of that matters to me, I love my boy beyond reason and wouldn't trade him for the world....

When the vet said there was nothing wrong with him physically because of the change of the color of his nose, I stopped worrying about it... And, really did feel that this woman was just being a snot.... However, I think that this group has a lot of people who are in the know about poodles more so than some vets... My other thought was I have heard that one can get a mixed registered through CKC as a pure, and wondered if perhaps this was true...
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