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Old 08-23-2009, 11:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If browns show up in a litter, with a parent being black, and a parent being white, will the browns always have brown noses, or can they have black noses like their parents?
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No, liver (brown) dogs will always have liver pigment. How dark that pigment is depends on the parents.
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And to address questions you did not ask...

If creams are produced from this breeding, they run the risk of having brown pigment which is a disqualifying fault (and not very pretty). Also, the browns from this breeding will have a higher than average chance of fading. In general breeders try to avoid mixing these three colors.

BTW... most breeders would not consider a cream with liver pigment to be a candidate for breeding.
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Yeah.. I've seen the cream/white poodles and other dogs with the liver noses and find it very unappealing. Could a cream be produced from this mixture, even though there's none in the lines?

With the browns with the liver noses and other pigments, are those disqualifying faults for them? Or are browns just not often shown?

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As my poodle is brown, I'm curious. What is a 'liver' nose?

Also what is "silver-beige" as originally the breeder stated that was her color. she looks brown to me, though! Even her snout (or is muzzle? lol).
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Liver is just another term for brown, in the dog world most brown dogs are called liver.

Silver Beige is like a Silver but insted of a Black dog with the fading gene its a liver dog with the fading gene. So that means your dark puppy will fade out to a light tan with dark ears like this dog. But thats if its a true Silver Beige, my dog is a Cafe Au Lait, she was born dark and has faded to the color of coffee with creamer in it.
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Thanks. So how do I really know, or do I just have to wait and see? She has both brown and silver-beige in her lineage. Her father was black and her mother is a silver.
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Wow! Do they really fade that much?! That seems a bit extreme, but I also heard it's not really unheard of in poodles. Aren't some whites born with apricot or cream in their ears that fades as they get older?

I'm still learning about all these genetics and fading things, it's all really interesting and this is the best place for ansers.
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And I love how your Bella has a really dark brown nose, that's almost black. If I were to get a brown poodle that's the way I'd want him or her to look. I may be a little biased to say the pale noses are a little off-putting.
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Aww, thank you.

Our breeder said by looking at the muzzle was how we could tell what color she could turn out to be. Well, actually said that to us when we were looking at seemingly black puppies to tell us they would be "blue." But they all had shaved muzzles, so maybe that's why you could tell? I don't know...
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