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Old 01-05-2013, 09:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question...do people still dock poodle's tails? Fifi had a short tail (she was JKC registered). I adopted her when she was four years old so I have no idea if her tail was shortened or not.

Noodle will be a companion only dog so I will definitely not be docking his tail so how long will his tail be? Approx in inches.

Just trying to figure out more of what my cutie pie will look like when he is bigger.
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In the US breeders dock their tails at a couple days old. It is hard to find poodles without a docked tail, but not impossible. Docking a dogs tail when they are older is not normally done and seems a little cruel to me. I do know a litter right now with half docked and half undocked tails, but most people expect a docked tail. Breeders also usually take off their dew claws, although that is done less and less. You should ask your breeder if they do those things. In other countries docking and dew claw removal is illegal, but still done here.

The fashion now is for longer docks. Years ago a lot of poodles had little nubbins for tails. They used to dock short so with the longer docks a lot of poodles have a curl in their tail now, starting right about where they used to dock it. Most now have long tails that when held up are around the level of the upright head, but it varies a lot.

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Docking an older dog's tail is extremely painful, and should certainly not be done for cosmetic purposes - vets will do it if it is necessary because of trauma, etc, but I would be very surprised if one would just for appearance. So it comes down to whether your breeder docks or not.

In the UK docking has been illegal for non-working dogs for some years, so Poppy has a full tail. It is about 1/3 the length of her back - perhaps a little more (she is not letting me see at the moment!), and usually carried in a slight curve over her back or behind. As outwest says, docking plus breeding for a very high tail carriage means many undocked or long docked tails are distinctly curled - it will be interesting to see how this plays out as docking becomes less and less popular worldwide.
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Am in Singapore and docking is both legal and the norm here. Have seen some really sad tails of about an inch long...

Harry's tail is docked but still looks like a tail. It's his key 'play with me' indicator. It always makes me giggle when he waggles it


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I love the fact that Ralph's breeder did not dock tails. I can't imagine him without his tail - he uses it so often! Here are a few pictures of Ralph's natural tail. He's a standard, but I would imagine toys/minis would be in the same proportions.
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What will He look like?......A Poodle of course!
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If you have a choice, I'd recommend not docking the tail. It's not just a cosmetic issue, as studies show that it affects the way the docked dog is perceived by other dogs--they don't understand its intentions because the tail is not there to give a cue.

Neely has a docked tail, but it's about 8 inches long and can clearly be seen to wag. My terriers are not so lucky. Devlin only has a nub, and I suspect Bridget might be a "natural bob," also short, about 1.5 inches.

Stanley Coren, noted author on canine cognition, has an interesting blog post about communication between dogs with both docked and natural tails.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-communication
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If I had the choice, my dogs would have natural tails! I respect those that want docked tails, but I personally prefer the look of a full tail now that I've looked at it more.

But I vote to get the dewclaws removed! Not worth the risk, imo! Here is a picture of a dewclaw that grew into the pad, then back out!
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Ouch - that must have been so painful for the dog. Sophy still has her front dewclaws - I watch them extremely carefully for just this reason, although I am also aware that she uses them a lot (she is the only dog I know who licks her paws and washes her face, like a cat!). She actually tore one off last year - I would have expected screams and blood everywhere, but the first I knew was when I came to do the regular trim and she was rather reluctant to let me handle that paw. It's growing back now, but another reason to keep them well trimmed...
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Fjm, his mom didn't even know, she felt so guilty, it was her first furry dog and she couldn't even see his dewclaws.
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