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Old 12-09-2012, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

I am new to Poodles and new to this forum. I have a Standard male who is a tall, lean 65 lbs at 10 months old. My vet, who neutered my last dog, a Sheltie, at 4 months of age(14 years ago), is recommending we wait until 18 -24 months old to neuter my boy Walter. She says there is some evidence that neutering before a dog is fully mature may be bad for their joints, especially in larger breeds. I am wondering what your experience and wisdom is about this. I am mostly just curious, this is a new concept to me. My Sheltie was only 28 lbs, but he lived more than 13 years with no joint issues until the last year of his life.

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I believe there are pro's and con's for late or early neutering. My vet likes to do them early, but we have decided to try and wait as long as we can to do the neuter. Unless it comes with some behavioral issue, we believe we're going to neuter around 18 months.
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I hope more post their experience here. I was wondering the same thing. My boy is almost 8 months and the reason my vet wants to neuter him at 8-9 mths is .....because the sac will be too big and noticable after that????? Anybody hear this before?
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Here is an excellent article that presents a unbiased assessment of recent research on the effect of age at spay/neuter http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

Somewhere on the board there is a thread with a link to a podcast from UC Davis (I think) where a study was done on the effects of spaying/neutering before sexual maturation. I took a quick look for it but couldn't find it. Hopefully someone else knows where it is, it is well worth listening to.

Although my experience with this has been with girls, not boys, it might be of some interest. I didn't spay my last two dogs until after they were sexually mature. They were Rottweilers, a breed that's prone to both orthopedic problems and cancer. Both of these conditions are supposed to be positively influenced by late spay/neuter.

My first Rottie was spayed at 2 1/2 years of age. She lived to 13 1/2, which is a good 4 or 5 years past the average Rottweiler life span. She never had any orthopedic problems of any kind. It was cancer that got her in the end, but at a far later age than it usually occurs in this breed.

My second girl lived to 11, which is another good lifespan for a Rottweiler. She was spayed after one heat cycle, at one year of age. She didn't have any orthopedic problems but had cancer at the end. With Rottweilers, you just have to accept that they will more than likely die of cancer, it's epidemic in the breed, but if they manage to live past about 8 years of age without getting it, it is something to celebrate.

I think there are many factors that play into a dog's long-term health. Both my Rotties came from responsible breeders who did health screening of their breeding dogs. I fed my girls a homemade diet and made sure they had excellent vet care. I don't think the late spaying alone was responsible for their longer lifespans and lack of orthopedic problems but I'm sure it played a part.

My experience with my Rotties and the latest research made me decide to let Cali go through at least one heat cycle before spaying her. She had her first heat in October and I'll probably get her spayed in January or February.

I think it's important that owners have access to all the latest research before making this decision and it's good to hear that some vets are now passing it on.
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I had Hibbert neutered at 5 months. Our vet was most concerned with his teeth. Apparently if you neuter them too early they have problems getting in all their adult teeth. Not sure where this info came from, but I can see the concern.


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I hope more post their experience here. I was wondering the same thing. My boy is almost 8 months and the reason my vet wants to neuter him at 8-9 mths is .....because the sac will be too big and noticable after that????? Anybody hear this before?
I walk a few dogs large dogs that have been neutered at 1 or older, and on one of them the sack was still very noticable for a good few months after, but the skin does shrink and it gets smaller. Probably won't ever become completely flat... but then at least they still look like boys! LOL.

Ollie was 10/11 months when I got him done, and that was only because he was starting to hump quite a bit, and he's a mini so pretty much mature at that age anyway! If you get no behaviour problems personally I'd wait til 18month, esp with a standard as it does help with their development.
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The thread " Full Grown size" has a lot if the info that might help you.


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I just had my boy neutered. I felt that I couldn't wait to 18 months. He is 11 months now, and although I really never saw any big behavior changes with any other dog that I had neutered or spayed; I saw nearly instant behavior changes in my boy....and all for the better!
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I hope more post their experience here. I was wondering the same thing. My boy is almost 8 months and the reason my vet wants to neuter him at 8-9 mths is .....because the sac will be too big and noticable after that????? Anybody hear this before?
My 5-year-old standard was just neutered this year. His sac was saggy for about a month before it was shrunk enough to no longer even notice it. I see this as no reason to base your decision on and surprised your vet doesn't know they'll shrink!

The only behavior difference I've noticed in him is the humping. When my 3-year-old child would play on the floor, Dude would often try to hump. He quit doing that after the procedure
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The discussions I've run into on neutering early versus after a year is that waiting until after the bones finish growing will leave you with a dog that has a better likelihood of being a good athlete over the long term.

Anecdotally, though, I used to run into a lady with a pure Lab in class, and I swear that dog looked like a Lab-bloodhound mix. He had very long legs, was very lean, and the ears were totally dropped and a bit long. He had been neutered very early, at about 3 months. The testosterone the dogs lose has a big effect on how the dog grows and matures.

The choir boys of the Renaissance era who were castrated to preserve their soprano voices were described as having quite different physical features from the "intact" population. Since they never went through puberty, their bone plates did not close normally and they had very long limbs and large rib cages. And yes, their voices remained incredible. Wikipedia can tell you more about castrati than you really want to know.

So, just for me, I'd prefer to wait until maturity to neuter a male dog. I suspect it may not be so critical with females, but I'd rather wait until they're closer to a year old rather than very young.

Neely is just 10 months, but his breeder has asked me to keep him intact for a while, thinking she may want to breed back to him. In the meantime, though, he's living a monk's life ...

As for a droopy sac--incredibly, some owners are getting prosthetic testicle implants so the dogs look the same! (Neuticles.com)
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