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Old 12-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lexi gets alot of attention when we are out and about and like many have said,that fluffy topknot is a petting magnet! I often take her to a pretty busy place to walk just to get her used to the noise and things being busy. There is a statue on the boardwalk that we can finally walk past, that doesn't freak her out. I don't know what that's about. She doesn't hardly pay attention to the big horses we walk by, so it makes no sense. I guess I have been fortunate in that I have never had anyone, kids included, just walk up and try to pet Lexi. When someon wants to pet her, I always will say, "she has to sit before you can pet her." The main reason is she loves people and can get a bit wound up and I would hate for her to jump on someone. She is never around little kids except when we are walking, but has never gotten the least bit wound up and is very patient with them.
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Oh, julietcr, that is so touching! I waited so long to get my poodles that I feel like I would never want to be without one again. But the lady is really being unselfish and thoughtful! I just wish she could still enjoy a dog, but fostering wouldn't be right because the dogs would come and go without having the time to establish a relationship. But also, both my grandmothers lived to be 100 years old, so one never knows--maybe she COULD have another dog! Or what about if she adopted an older dog or had a contingency plan for a home in the event she died before the dog did.
She looked 20 years younger, she was still driving her car and she was running after us on the sidewalks. I told her she would certainly live another 15 years but she said she did not want to take the chance of leaving a dog behind. I hope I will be as unselfish and thoughtful as her but at the same time I just can`t imagine my life without a dog.

I really like your adopting an older dog and contingency plan ideas, hope she thinks about it when her mourning is over, I will think about it when I get old;o)
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My puppy is overly friendly, so I use EVERY meeting, whether they want to pet him or not, to try to either keep his attention or, when they pet him, keep all his feet on the ground.

When little kids want to pet my rat terriers (it's usually not adults), I tell them there are "rules." Every kid of kindergarten age understands about rules, so when I have their attention, I explain that they can pet the dog with the spot on his back, but not the other one, because she gets afraid. Then I pull Bridget behind me and let Devlin practice patience. Then I show the kids several tricks the dogs can do, like sit up and beg, or sneeze on command.
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I don't really have any issues with adults like this, there is a neighbor though who squeals at Gryphon, and rewards him by yelling GOOD BOY, HERE I COME, I'M COMING TO PET YOU. It just makes me want to die on the spot, how do you deal with that? I don't want to ruin her happiness, but I want her to stop reinforcing bad greeting behaviors in Gryphon. This happens everyday. This is probably the biggest thing that's wearing me down with my dogs interactions in my neighborhood.
For this I would just quickly hold my hand up in a 'stop' motion to the neighbor, say "Just one sec" and then focus on your dog and put him in a sit. After a couple seconds you can either release him with a 'go say hi' or whatever and allow him to approach her, or keep him in a stay with his attention on you and then tell your neighbor she can pet him now.
It's great training for your dog because we can't change the over enthusiastic greetings we sometimes get from strangers and I think you might be surprised at how quickly your neighbor changes her behavior (so you may train her too!).


I have noticed with Halo that people stop and speak to me a lot without petting her. Children and the adults that do want to pet her are much more likely to ask first. This is not the case at all with my two Danes or my mixed breed, people just barrel up all the time with them and do drive by pettings, etc. The poodle tends to keep people back a few steps. Odd.
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MaryLynn, I wonder if you spoke to your neighbour when you didn't have Gryphon with you, and just explained that you're starting some intensive training and that he's not allowed to stop to greet people on your walk except for one 2-second "hello" or whatever you can come up with. Oh, and people ask me for cigarettes while I'm running too, what's up with that??
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MaryLynn, I wonder if you spoke to your neighbour when you didn't have Gryphon with you, and just explained that you're starting some intensive training and that he's not allowed to stop to greet people on your walk except for one 2-second "hello" or whatever you can come up with. Oh, and people ask me for cigarettes while I'm running too, what's up with that??
I actually tried this, and let her know that he needed to sit calm and then we would approach her calm for a hello. As soon as he sits and starts paying attention to me again she just starts yelling GOOD BOY GOOD BOY in an almost chipmunk voice, so then we have to start over again, and over again, and she just starts rushing up to get her pets in now. She doesn't understand that the reward is getting to see her, and starts rewarding him as soon as he drops into a sit (even if she is literally like 20 ft away).

She has a retired St. Johns ambulance therapy dog, so she also thinks she knows everything about dogs, and has told me that it's okay for a puppy to be a nut, that hers was too, and it became a St. Johns ambulance dog.
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I actually tried this, and let her know that he needed to sit calm and then we would approach her calm for a hello. As soon as he sits and starts paying attention to me again she just starts yelling GOOD BOY GOOD BOY in an almost chipmunk voice, so then we have to start over again, and over again, and she just starts rushing up to get her pets in now. She doesn't understand that the reward is getting to see her, and starts rewarding him as soon as he drops into a sit (even if she is literally like 20 ft away)....
Okay ... sounds like the classic reinforcement trap, like letting the kids have a cookie before supper, "once," and then they always ask for / expect a cookie before supper forever after. It's very hard to make such a behavior go extinct.

Her reward is petting your dog, and you're allowing it to happen, so she's being reinforced and will just keep it up. So, don't even explain what you're doing, or why--just turn around and go the other way. Repeat as necessary.

You may have to administer positive punishment to your neighbor, if she chases you: "Don't touch my dog! It interferes with his training."
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I actually tried this, and let her know that he needed to sit calm and then we would approach her calm for a hello. As soon as he sits and starts paying attention to me again she just starts yelling GOOD BOY GOOD BOY in an almost chipmunk voice, so then we have to start over again, and over again, and she just starts rushing up to get her pets in now. She doesn't understand that the reward is getting to see her, and starts rewarding him as soon as he drops into a sit (even if she is literally like 20 ft away).

She has a retired St. Johns ambulance therapy dog, so she also thinks she knows everything about dogs, and has told me that it's okay for a puppy to be a nut, that hers was too, and it became a St. Johns ambulance dog.
OMG that would drive me nuts after a while. Can you walk in a different direction than her? You have already asked her to follow your rules at how to approach your dog. She neglects and disrespects your decisions, so why allow her to pet your dog? I have certain rules for my house and my dogs and I expect them followed or you'll just removed from the equation. I personally would do one of two things. I would either have another last chance talk with her. Tell her that you dont mind her petting him, how to approach and interact with your dog, and tell her the consequence of not following your directions.. no petting at all. No and ifs or buts. OR i would just avoid her entirely.. Go on your walk or run, or whatever, and if she comes out KEEP MOVING! Uh, sorry I gotta run, in a big hurry.. when you come home, sorry gotta run got get supper on the table or whatever plausible excuse. Could you do both? Yeah but then she would know for sure you were avoiding her lol!

My girls love the attention from strangers and I cant go to a petstore without someone wanting to pet them. Im fine with them petting my toy poodle, Im not fine with small children picking her up. Thankfully most parents tell there kids to put her down.. Im sure they dont want to pay a $2000 vet bill for breaking something. My mini poodle Im not ok with most people petting since she is in show coat, and petting= hair breakage. And like your neighbor doesnt seem to understand direction like pet her chest only!! Even then she will try to rub her head on them arrghh!! Im normally stuck with telling her no rub and pulling back. So next time if someone wants to pet her then I will have to hold her nose, but that is hard cause Im trying to keep an eye on the lil one too *sigh*.

We dont go out much anymore cause it is such a hassle in that respect. When we do go out I pretend I dont hear the, "oh look, it's a poodle!!!!". This way I dont seem like a poodle snob, and I dont have to stop every 5 seconds. Unless they are smart and get in front of me to get my attention lol.
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I actually tried this, and let her know that he needed to sit calm and then we would approach her calm for a hello. As soon as he sits and starts paying attention to me again she just starts yelling GOOD BOY GOOD BOY in an almost chipmunk voice, so then we have to start over again, and over again, and she just starts rushing up to get her pets in now. She doesn't understand that the reward is getting to see her, and starts rewarding him as soon as he drops into a sit (even if she is literally like 20 ft away).

She has a retired St. Johns ambulance therapy dog, so she also thinks she knows everything about dogs, and has told me that it's okay for a puppy to be a nut, that hers was too, and it became a St. Johns ambulance dog.
She sounds too old for this, but I role-played being the dog with the neighbor boys when I got my puppy to train the boys to ignore her if she jumped, only to pet when she sat. It did involve me getting down on hands and knees and barking

Has anyone seen good illustrated books teaching good manners around dogs? That would be great.
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To tell the truth I really like the attention Dexter gets. But I am getting tired of explaining "What kind of dog is he?" "A poodle?" "I've never seen a poodle with his hair like that" and then the explaining: shaved face, puppy hair, parti etc.

But today I got the statement. "Oh, he is a Poodle. My friend just got a Doodle puppy" to which a frustrated me replied......"I dont understand why people get a doodle when you can get a purebred poodle that already all the traits they are trying to infuse into a mixed breed."

I kept on my way wishing I hadnt stooped to that level...:(
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