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Old 12-03-2012, 02:11 AM   #21 (permalink)
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So now after reading this thread I am totally befuddled... First thank you for the growth chart!! And also for the info on protein. Rhett's sixteen week vet appt he weighed a whooping 29.6 pounds but since he vet is very familiar with his parents ( very large ) she reassured me that he was fine. Joints are fine and continue with what I am doing. I have not put him on the scale since. I can feel his ribs and he has the hour glass shape. It became really easy to see after I gave him a kennel clip. Lol !!! By the chart he is going to be a moose!! But that is just fine !! Rhett aka Moose man is so light on his feet that he can get into tons of trouble... So then I wonder if neutering him at 6 months is the best thing??? Mmmm more research is needed and another trip to the vet..
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I am not a specialist but I do intensive hikking and running with my dogs so I am concerned about bones and joints problems for both of us. When I was looking for a Spoo I found breeders who were spaying-neutering dogs as early as 8 weeks. I was surprise because I know hormones have a major impact on bone growth so I did some research.

I also talked with various people including vet, breeders and even farmers who have been doing early neutering for years on farm animals. They all agreed on one thing: Dogs (and any farm animal) who are neutered before puberty will grow taller (and heavier but this is just logic) than those spayed after puberty is over. On the other hand they didn't agree on the good or bad impacts early neutering can have on temperament and the health of the dog.

I made my own opinion but it is not a black and white thing. Even intact Sushi was growing really fast so I was concerned because it can be a problem for bones and joints so I asked my breader what do to and she said to avoid puppy and high protein food wich make sense I think.

I included links where you will find pros and cons of early spay-neuter, the second link shows pictures of a male dog that was neutered very early and his sibling who is intact, the difference is evident.

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Lou was 50lbs and 24'' at 5.5 months old... I cant do math ! (well I can sing, maybe that counters it... and Im just kidding I can do math, but not sure on how well I did on this)

Could she be FAT? LOL at 3.5 months old, vet said she was too skinny... so I was trying to get her to eat some yummy dog food.... You can feel her spine very easily, and can feel her ribs but theres a lot of hair so you can feel the ribs but not as easily as the spine.
Considering her hight, could she be fat or does it sound about right?

She is now 6.5 months old I need to weigh and measure her...

Everyone that has had/seen spoos says she is huge for her age...

Any feedback on this is super welcome -thanks!!
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So now I am going to ask the next "brilliant" question .... How do you know when they reach puberty???? He is 20 weeks and is popping his adult canines ... The top ones are already out and the baby teeth are long gone and he has double canines on the bottom.. So does it mean he will going thru puberty early??? Heavens at least he won't invite his "friends" over to empty my fridge!! Lol but seriously this is a great concern for me..and I am trying to do what is best for my Rhett. Any educational sources are really appreciated.


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I think Standards will usually hit maturity at age 2. some slight earlier some a bit latter. Double k-9 on bottom is not good BUT since so young the puppy K9 could easily pop out- give some hard chews to get those puppy teeth out. You don't want surgery later if you can avoid it, or a messed up bite because the baby teeth are still in the mouth. Toys & Mini's of course most likely will end all growth by 18 months but many say around 1 year of age. That being said I knew a groomer friend who's Mini grew 1/2" between 15 & 18 months of age so it really depends on breed lines as well. My OT hasn't gained weight or height in at least 6 months so I can say she is done height wise growing but I would like another 1 lb on her.

I think that "Lou" needs to maybe slow down some. He is VERY big to be that tall & heavy at only 5.5 months. He may top out in the 27-29" range & a good 80lbs by the time he is done growing. Big Boy! http://www.poodleforum.com/images/smiles/act-up.png
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3dogs, Lou is a female. She is a very big girl!

I totally agree with about waiting to neuter. My vet concurs that waiting until around 9-10 months if not a year old is best for the males unless they are driving you crazy marking and such. If neutered early it can effect their growth and they do get taller.

Also, slow growth is better. Jazz was growing so fast it was alarming. The vet told me to take him off puppy food at 4 months old. I did that and switched to a moderate protein food. He has slowed down growing and is nice and steady now, but still growing. He looks like a dog now and not a puppy in size, but he is only 6 months old.

Jazz is going to be a good sized boy. He was 30 pounds and 20 inches tall at 20 weeks. At 24 weeks he was 23 inches and 36 pounds. At 6 months old he was 40 pounds and over 23 inches.

The original poster is going to love the small standard size. It is fun that I will have one little girl and one full sized guy.

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I think that "Lou" needs to maybe slow down some. He is VERY big to be that tall & heavy at only 5.5 months. He may top out in the 27-29" range & a good 80lbs by the time he is done growing. Big Boy! http://www.poodleforum.com/images/smiles/act-up.png
It's a SHE!! LOL thats why it's even crazier how big she is! I promise I didnt look for a breeder by size, it was the first breeder I went to! (We did want a big dog, but this was just love at first sight)
This is funny, kinda = Today I was walking her down the side walk, this man parks his truck and gets out walking toward the side walk we are headed in his direction (she is right on my side, my hand is 5 inches from her collar, on the leash) THIS GUY JUMPS 4-5 FEET BACK!!
I hurry up and say: "She is a puppy, dont worry!" and he says: "It was natural instincts, maam.. thats a BIG dog!!" ... He - was - scared!
hahahahahahahah

Her dad is 90lbs (beautiful light red/dark apricot, beautiful strong dog) but her mom is smaller (not sure how big)

What do you mean she needs to slow down some? Is there anything I can do, for the best of her health? I'm not feeding her too much or anything... Just good quality dog food.

Thanks a bunch for your response/help :-)
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If her dad is 90 pounds, he is a very large standard. I mean- a rival of Dude! LOL. Lou will be big. She will get to her eventual size whether she grows fast or slower. There is no difference in eventual size by slowing their growth down if you can, but it is better for their joints, muscles and bones to grow nice and steady. It is easier said than done, but my vet told me to take Jazz off the very high quality puppy food that was high protein and put him on a quality adult food. I decided to put him on the same food my other dogs are on, which is a grain free food. The only thing I did was switch off the puppy food. He did seem to immediately stop growing so fast, but it could also be that he naturally started to slow down. I wouldn't switch a puppy without asking the vet as all pups are different. Also, not all adult foods are that great.

How old is Lou exactly? I can't remember. When's her birthday? Ask the vet about taking her off puppy food. You can tell if she is too heavy if you can't feel her ribs. If you can and they have a small layer over them then she is the right weight.

She looks good in her pictures, not too heavy or thin.
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