Jdcollins

I seriously hesitate to reply Bc I soooo do not know enough about breeding to "have a say" and I absolutely respect your feelings.... Just will say this... I don't know her personally ... Have never met her... Only know her through Facebook but she is a crazy poodle lover (like most of us). Her poodles have a great life AS FAR AS the everyday events (I say it that way Bc again idk enough about breeding)...

They have a pontoon boat and in the warm months they take the poodles out every day for a ride and a swim.... She recently bought several acres down the street from her home and put a fence around it and decorated the little house on it and its her own private poodle park which they go to when they can't go on the boat.... She has poodle parties for the families who have adopted her poodle puppies to come once a year.....and lots of other things in between. You can see all this if you have time to peruse her pics on Facebook.

She posts so many pics daily that u get to know all her personal dogs and their personalities and even their puppies (all 10 live inside her house). Again, idk about breeding so idk what she is or is not doing right/wrong and i don't own one of her pups but there is a lot of poodle love at that house... Watch her on your news feeds for a few weeks and you will see. Her dogs don't look beautiful as far as haircuts go but my guess is with 10 adults plus puppies there isn't a lot is time... They always have short hair and look clean and neat.

Idk... I just know that I love seeing her pics come across everyday. They always put a smile on my face.

I'm not saying any of this to try and change your mind....and actually maybe you could send me a pm and explain what u didnt like. I would def like to know just Bc I do like to learn.

I swear I'm not picking a poodle forum fight lol I swear I swear I swear! 😊





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Chagall's mom

Jdcollins: That tree topper is so cute! We celebrate Hanukkah and I have searched endlessly for a Menorah with a poodle design incorporated into it. I know that may seem a bit over-the-top to some, but I think you can understand.

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Jdcollins

Oh I totally understand... ESP being that growing up we celebrated ALL the Christian and Jewish holidays! :-)


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Chagall's mom:

You know.... I bet she can make that poodle with a shiny blue dress holding a menorah instead of a gift?? Hmmm :-)


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AngelsMommy

@Chagallsmom I don't know if you would be interested or not, or even if they still have them. But my sister bought our mom a Jewish poodle book markby Russ several years ago that had a Yarmulke and was so cute.

We celebrated both the Jewish and the Christian holidays growing up.

I would love to see a menorah with a cute Poodle too!

CharismaticMillie

You are right, the poodles do look to be kept groomed/clipped, though admittedly the nails make me grimace.

I would also agree that there does seem to be a ton of "poodle love" at that house. However, when I say "poodle love", I mean poodles making love. Puppies. Lots of them. And mostly "rare" colors. I took a look through their blog and - in the past year - there hardly seemed to be a day that went by that they didn't have puppies on the ground.

As far as breeding goes:

In one year, they have had 6 litters. 1 litter this October, 1 in September, 2 in May (separated by only several days), 1 in February, and 1 in November 2011.

They have done some health testing - however I could not find any of the results on OFA for both of the studs that they claim to father the majority of their puppies. Speaking of which, they use the same dogs over and over again, breeding to their own stud dogs in most cases rather than using outside studs. Keep in mind the cost of these puppies, and the ultimate difference in "income" between a breeder who only uses their own stud dogs vs. one who pays to use an outside stud who best complements their bitch.

You can connect the dogs. Is this breeder breeding for the purpose of bettering the breed?

The puppies are $1,500 - which keep in mind - here in the midwest you can buy a fully health tested puppy with a 5 year health guarantee from proven (performance and/or conformation) parents from a smaller scale hobby breeder. Again, keep in mind the difference in "income" between this breeder and one that spends thousands more on additional health testing and involvement in conformation, agility, performance, etc.

And I didn't even mention anything about the structure, type, or massive size of these poodles. Or that they don't breed under a kennel prefix (huh?), or that the title of their website states quite concisely their breeding goals.

Anyway, as someone passionate about breeding and doing so ethically, I feel confident that this breeder is already making enough income without my purchasing a tree topper from them.

Jdcollins

Fair enough...

I agree there are always puppies there.... Again idk about breeding but as a lay person looking in it appears she rotates through her females so they don't produce puppies except a litter per year (maybe a tad more but I've been watching for about 3 years and that's the way it seems) she did retire several females and a couple of her studs this year

Also I agree she prob is not breeding for the betterment of the breed and I also have seen the off colors... It is pretty obvious she is breeding what she would consider family pets and she does have a spay neuter policy in her contract for all her pups.

I still so like her and her dogs... and while yes there is lots of "poodle loving" going on... There's a ton of love there from her and her family to every one of those dogs and puppies....

So ....
If you have $1500 to blow on a poodle
;-) .... Then I say do your homework and get what u pay for......its just that maybe diff people expect diff things out of that $1500... Most people that buy from her have been on her page for ages and buy a pup bc its the baby of a specific male or female or both of hers... like i said before... she posts so often you get to know them all....Her customers are
Constantly on her Facebook posting pics of their dogs and loving them as much as she does.

all that being said I understand completely your position and don't completely disagree :-)

I have a neighbor that just paid.... Are u sitting?.... $3500 for a DOODLE!!! And her parents were nothing spectacular! I was in serious shock :-/

Thank you for your input!!! I said before... I like to learn and I like to hear people's opinions ;-)

Jennie


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CharismaticMillie

My opinion is..if not breeding to better the breed..why breed? Ethically, I have an issue with it.

It's not at all about what you get for $1,500... :/

Most BYB's I see do love their poodles. But should they be breeding?

Jdcollins

I will add that when I spent my $1500 on my Lola... I knew nothing and did as much homework as I knew to do but I still didnt know as much as I do now after having been on this forum for all this time... I didn't know who the good and reputable breeders were although I think I did ok.... actually I'll post her info if you'll give me your option on that?

Wow! Did I just hijack my own thread? Lol

Oh well ... What's a little hijacking amongst poodle forum friends ;-)


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Poodlemama99

I just ordered a tree topper from her. Soooooo excited. They are adorable.


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