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Old 04-24-2012, 09:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have recently started a new web site, and I’d like to invite you to participate in making it a success. Regular forum members will recognize Outwest’s Bonnie and Arreau’s Quincy and my Cammie on the home page. The new site is: Small Standard Poodles

The purpose of the web site is: (1) to encourage the responsible breeding of small standard poodles, (2) to help puppy buyers find well bred small standard poodles, (3) to help breeders find studs, (4) to provide information/education on a variety of related topics, (5) to develop a community of people who are interested in the responsible breeding of small standard poodles, and (6) to have fun (I find this stuff entertaining).

The purpose of this site is NOT to make money. I do not expect to ever make a penny from it.

The site is currently in its infancy. It might end up fizzling into nothing, but I think it has the potential to develop in a number of interesting ways. I’d love to have your input and I’d love to see a community of interested poodle breeders and poodle owners develop who can bring the breeding of small standard poodles to new levels of excellence.

Some of the issues that I am interested in exploring, hopefully with input from some of you:

-- My understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) is that in countries that accept the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) poodle sizes, including the moyen/klein size, the poodle is viewed more as a single breed with a continuum of sizes that range from toys to minis to mediums (moyens/kleins) to standards. Poodles of one size can be bred to poodles of another size but the two parents should not be more than 10 cm. apart in size (that’s about 4 inches). In the US and Canada, the moyen size is not accepted by AKC and poodles between 15 inches and about 20 inches have historically not been bred. With renewed interest in the moyen/klein size, that may be changing now. I like the idea of purposefully breeding this size and having poodles of all sizes in the US and Canada. What do you think?

-- Given that smaller standard poodles are not succeeding in the AKC show ring, are there other ways that the quality of a small spoo and its suitability for breeding can be demonstrated?

-- What are the pros and cons of each of the different ways that small spoos can be bred (oversized minis, small standards, imported moyens/kleins, mini-standard crosses).

I’d also like feedback on some of the material that is already presented on the site, and ideas for new material. Please feel free to make suggestions here, or PM them to me.

Finally, we will be adding studs and/or litter announcements to the site slowly and carefully. The two stud dogs that are currently listed belong to small scale breeders for whom I have the utmost respect. Cherie Perks of Arreau Standard Poodles and Michelle Birchard of New Destiny Standard Poodles are two of the very best, and I would like to maintain this high standard.
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I love it, and thank you so much for all of your hard work putting it together, and for inviting Quincy and I to take part! Much appreciated!!
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I just checked out the new website. I really like it. I hope it gains traction and grows.
Your comments on how difficult it was to find a small standard poodle reflect my own current search.
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Great site, good luck!

I wouldnt show a std, but maybe if it were a small std lol.
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If your size range is 15-23 inches, you might consider adding "Big Minis," too. My boy Beau is 16.5", and I know there are others on the forum that top out at 17" and maybe bigger.

Either way the site is a great idea, as poodles in this Goldilocks size range are "just right" for many families, but are not easy to find.
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Good site and good luck!
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If your size range is 15-23 inches, you might consider adding "Big Minis," too. My boy Beau is 16.5", and I know there are others on the forum that top out at 17" and maybe bigger.

Either way the site is a great idea, as poodles in this Goldilocks size range are "just right" for many families, but are not easy to find.
When I first thought about starting the site, I was really thinking about small standards in the 18 to 22 inch range, because that's what I wanted for my own pup. But I corresponded with a forum member who suggested that 15 inches should be the lower limit. I agreed because a standard is defined by AKC as above 15 inches.

I would like to see more credibility given to purposefully breeding minis up in size (breed a 17 inch mini to a 16.5 inche mini) as well as breeding standards down in size.

I'll see if I can work something about big minis into the site. Great suggestion!
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-- Given that smaller standard poodles are not succeeding in the AKC show ring, are there other ways that the quality of a small spoo and its suitability for breeding can be demonstrated?
Oh, so you've tried? Please tell me about your experience showing a smaller standard in the AKC. Enzo, Kandice and Kerry's red boy, is 23 inches and just got a major.
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-- Given that smaller standard poodles are not succeeding in the AKC show ring, are there other ways that the quality of a small spoo and its suitability for breeding can be demonstrated?
Please elaborate? This is a broad statement that really is not true the way you stated it. Many "smaller standard poodles" (whatever that means) enjoy great success in the show ring.

And, since the can of worms is open I'll ask, is breeding for size any better than breeding for color?
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Oh, so you've tried? Please tell me about your experience showing a smaller standard in the AKC. Enzo, Kandice and Kerry's red boy, is 23 inches and just got a major.
Hi Fluffyspoo and CM -- I am not surprised to hear that a 23 inch standard got a major. I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough. I would like to see poodles of 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 inches, as well as 22-23 inches. My perception is that those sizes are not being bred because they cannot win in AKC shows even though they are very clearly within the size specified for a standard poodle by the AKC breed standard. Do you disagree with that?

For the record, I have never shown a poodle of any size. I certainly did not mean to imply that I had.
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