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Old 05-07-2009, 04:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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For about a year now we've known something is wrong with my little guy (poodle bichon mix) So last month I took him to the vet and she said is was spinal deterioration. He had some lumps and hasn't been feeling weel so we had her check all that too. No testing or anything she said the lumps we're probly fine but to help him getting up or down off the couch/bed and not to let him jump in and out of the car by his self. So we've tried.

Sunday night when we got home he was shaking and I could tell he was in pain...so I called the vet Monday and asked if there was something we could give him for the pain. Then she said it sounded like a slipped disc and she need to know what it was before she gave him something...So this means she wants to charge be for another visit (ok but I was already in for this nad she said what she thought it was....) now she's saying it's sounds like it's something different? I don't want to go to the vet to run a bunch of tests that are all going to lead down the same road. SO now I'm thinking should I even take him in? He's acting 'normal' now. He's going on 8 years old so I know that he's now a spring chick anymore but I don't think he's in so much pain that he's ready to be put down either. Any advice? Anyone been through this before?
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Im sorry but that is cruel when a dog is suffering and you wont take him in to the vets. You cant pretend that the pain is going to go even if he may be having a good day and showing no pain. If his spinal problems are really bad do the kind thing and pts the dog. No dog needs to suffer.

I know its a costly procedure to keep going to vets but with pet ownership you have an obligation to that dog. If you can find someone else to help you with the money for now that would be good. Find an honest vet that will tell you about the suffering this dog will endure, if it need to be on meds for the rest of its life, if the dog is going to get worse as he is ageing.

Sorry but it irks me when ppl say they are bad one day and when they cant afford it then all of a sudden things are ok.
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if he has deterioration of the spine it could cause a slipped disc - just thinking along the lines of us humans - one thing causing another. I woudl take him in - the vet may be able to splint him - and slipped discs can bother you one day and be ok the next but you need to have a complete diagnosis and pain meds for him. Good luck to the little guy!
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It sounds like this poor little one has some serious, ongoing problems that will never get better. And, I agree with Sivaro. When you own a pet, you have a responsibility to it. Take him in to see the vet and at least get him on some medication to help him with his pain. But if he has no chance of living a life without chronic pain, I would definitely consider doing the kind thing for him.

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Im sorry but that is cruel when a dog is suffering and you wont take him in to the vets. You cant pretend that the pain is going to go even if he may be having a good day and showing no pain. If his spinal problems are really bad do the kind thing and pts the dog. No dog needs to suffer.

I know its a costly procedure to keep going to vets but with pet ownership you have an obligation to that dog. If you can find someone else to help you with the money for now that would be good. Find an honest vet that will tell you about the suffering this dog will endure, if it need to be on meds for the rest of its life, if the dog is going to get worse as he is ageing.

Sorry but it irks me when ppl say they are bad one day and when they cant afford it then all of a sudden things are ok.
Please don't flame me he's been to the vet several times this would be his 4th visit in 6 months....

I guess I miss represented myself, he has been to the vet several times as mentioned and I have mentioned this and that to the vet but NOTHING has ever come of it. Last year every great once and a while he started yelping if we picked him up wrong. First time we thought he pulled something. Happened in the fall and we took him to the vet she has just felt around on him and said he's fine.
The appt the vet set from me calling Monday was today and he has seemed fine the last few days......I did cancel it. I think she's going to put me off again. When I took him last month I thought she was going to do something about the tumor but she just felt of it and said it's fine she doesn't think it's cancer she said she could remove it if it gets bigger. I'm just wondering if there is something otc to give him for the pain or when I can tell he is in pain....

This happened with my mom's dog too the dog had a liver shunt but every time my mother took him in he looked fine and the vet couldn't fine anything wrong until things went really bad. There really isn't anyone else around here except this creepy guy...

What is pts? (put to sleep?) I don't think it's that bad yet. Sunday night was the first time that he's shaked. The other thing the vet said was 'he's fine now but when he drags his paw then that's bad' That was last month. I have no idea what she's talking about.
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Another question.....is it the right thing to put them to sleep right when you find out something is wrong or do you wait....gosh now I'm really confussed...My husband doesn't feel it's time yet either.
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Please don't flame me he's been to the vet several times this would be his 4th visit in 6 months....

I guess I miss represented myself, he has been to the vet several times as mentioned and I have mentioned this and that to the vet but NOTHING has ever come of it. Last year every great once and a while he started yelping if we picked him up wrong. First time we thought he pulled something. Happened in the fall and we took him to the vet she has just felt around on him and said he's fine.
The appt the vet set from me calling Monday was today and he has seemed fine the last few days......I did cancel it. I think she's going to put me off again. When I took him last month I thought she was going to do something about the tumor but she just felt of it and said it's fine she doesn't think it's cancer she said she could remove it if it gets bigger. I'm just wondering if there is something otc to give him for the pain or when I can tell he is in pain....

This happened with my mom's dog too the dog had a liver shunt but every time my mother took him in he looked fine and the vet couldn't fine anything wrong until things went really bad. There really isn't anyone else around here except this creepy guy...

What is pts? (put to sleep?) I don't think it's that bad yet. Sunday night was the first time that he's shaked. The other thing the vet said was 'he's fine now but when he drags his paw then that's bad' That was last month. I have no idea what she's talking about.
WOW I would find another vet asap ...... She sees a tumor like lump but does not run a test to see if its cancerous ????? I know the decision to do that is up to you but the fact that she did not tell you more about it is WOW

IMO it sounds like your vet just waits till something gets worst to test the dogs. My gsd had a tumor like lump on her chest and it ended up killing her.

has the vet xrayed you dog ? There is no way a vet can tell you something is fine with out some kind of imaging on the area. I know you can palpate the area but if it has to do with slipped disk or something with the bones an x ray is a must.

There are Drugs that could be given to ease the pain but you need to have some test run on him to see what is really going on.
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Please don't flame me he's been to the vet several times this would be his 4th visit in 6 months....

I guess I miss represented myself, he has been to the vet several times as mentioned and I have mentioned this and that to the vet but NOTHING has ever come of it. Last year every great once and a while he started yelping if we picked him up wrong. First time we thought he pulled something. Happened in the fall and we took him to the vet she has just felt around on him and said he's fine.
The appt the vet set from me calling Monday was today and he has seemed fine the last few days......I did cancel it. I think she's going to put me off again. When I took him last month I thought she was going to do something about the tumor but she just felt of it and said it's fine she doesn't think it's cancer she said she could remove it if it gets bigger. I'm just wondering if there is something otc to give him for the pain or when I can tell he is in pain....

This happened with my mom's dog too the dog had a liver shunt but every time my mother took him in he looked fine and the vet couldn't fine anything wrong until things went really bad. There really isn't anyone else around here except this creepy guy...

What is pts? (put to sleep?) I don't think it's that bad yet. Sunday night was the first time that he's shaked. The other thing the vet said was 'he's fine now but when he drags his paw then that's bad' That was last month. I have no idea what she's talking about.
Sorry hun, I just care for dogs so much it upset me when I see posts where ppl wonder if they should take their dogs to the vets or not. Most do know the answer and that is yes regardless if they seem fine for a few days. It is a major problem especially with the spinal problem he does have. Yes pts is put to sleep, that was only a suggestion as I dont know how bad the dog is. Its just an option if the dog suffers more but only you know that cause you can see what the dog is doing infront of you.

The other reason I get upset is cause I have told some of my customers (Im a groomer), when something was wrong with their dogs. Most ignore it, some listen to my advice. One particular lady had a cocker that was matted from head to toe and it took me hours just to clip all the coat off. When he was clipped off, there was a massive lump on his rump, I mean huge. The lady come to pick the dogs up and I said please take him to the vet cause if its was I think it is ............. She said she would. Months later she rang to bring him back for a clip, booked in a maltese shih tzu also. She fronted up the next day and only had the x with her. I said wheres the cocker, she said what you predicted months ago was right on the head. She was looking out of her kitchen window and the dog was sucking water back rather than licking it out of the bucket. She went out and the dogs tongue was missing. Raced it to the vet, and that lump I seen was infact cancer and she didnt bother taking the dog. It bursted and all the acid went throught he dogs mouth and burnt the tongue away. Painful bloody death and I really shot the woman down in flames. Ive mentioned alot of things to customers to whom havnt listen and their dogs suffered so I get upset.

Now again, Im only going by your post, and I cant profess to know what is wrong but it does sound serious. Us as human have to realise that a dogs pain tolerance is higher than ours so it takes quite a bit for a dog to complain and show pain, which is why I said this dog still need a vet. Shame you only have one though, a second opinion is always good.
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hun If the vet thinks its serious enough to do it then do it. Some vet will lie and take your money regardless so I hope you have an honest vet. Just keep your eye on whats going on, if you see the pain is really bad and there is no hope for the dog, its kinder to pts.
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WOW I would find another vet asap ...... She sees a tumor like lump but does not run a test to see if its cancerous ????? I know the decision to do that is up to you but the fact that she did not tell you more about it is WOW

IMO it sounds like your vet just waits till something gets worst to test the dogs. My gsd had a tumor like lump on her chest and it ended up killing her.

has the vet xrayed you dog ? There is no way a vet can tell you something is fine with out some kind of imaging on the area. I know you can palpate the area but if it has to do with slipped disk or something with the bones an x ray is a must.

There are Drugs that could be given to ease the pain but you need to have some test run on him to see what is really going on.
Good advice
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