Jupiter's 14th birthday - Poodle Forum - Standard Poodle, Toy Poodle, Miniature Poodle Forum ALL Poodle owners too!
   

Go Back   Poodle Forum - Standard Poodle, Toy Poodle, Miniature Poodle Forum ALL Poodle owners too! > Poodle Forums > Poodle Talk

Poodle Talk General Poodle Talk! Ask questions, meet new people.

PoodleForum.com is the premier Poodle Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-18-2015, 09:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 10,226, Level: 69 Points: 10,226, Level: 69 Points: 10,226, Level: 69
Activity: 17.6% Activity: 17.6% Activity: 17.6%
Last Achievements
 
marialydia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Names of dogs: Pericles
Poodle Type: Standard
Location: Chatham County NC
Posts: 704
Thanks: 1,729
Thanked 1,552 Times in 552 Posts
Default Jupiter's 14th birthday

My silver mini poo Jupiter turned 14 years old yesterday. He had a special walk, gnawed on his bully stick for a while, and slept a lot.

Jupiter had some seizures at the end of July. For several hours after he couldn't walk properly at all. His new vet, who is young but good, is sure that this is a brain tumor. He wasn't at all optimistic about a medium-range prognosis. Jupiter is now on anti-seizure medication (in addition to his thyroxine) and has not had a seizure since. Every day now seems like a gift.

Jupiter seems to know that things are not completely right. He's gotten more cuddly than he had been (and he's never been a super cuddler). He also greets me at the door far more enthusiastically than he had been doing for quite a while.

I will admit that, soon after moving here, and seeing all the wildlife in this area and in my yard (far more rural than I have been accustomed to!) I took the recommendation of the first vet we went to, and allowed her to give both Juppie and Pericles the lepto vaccine. It was two days after this that Jupiter had the first seizure so I am (perhaps with my head in the sand) convinced that the seizure resulted from the vaccine and had nothing to do with a brain tumour. Needless to say neither of them had the second dose, and (for others reasons as well) we have switched vets. But I am beating myself up about this still.

He's now due for rabies. which is legally required (no titres permitted). I am waiting until the last moment to do this one. He did have his blood titred for distemper, etc. and he does not need a booster for these, thankfully.
marialydia is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to marialydia For This Useful Post:
ArreauStandardPoodle (09-19-2015), Carolinek (09-20-2015), liljaker (09-20-2015), Theo'sMom (09-20-2015)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-18-2015, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 19,670, Level: 96 Points: 19,670, Level: 96 Points: 19,670, Level: 96
Activity: 62.2% Activity: 62.2% Activity: 62.2%
Last Achievements
 
Dechi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Names of dogs: Merlin
Poodle Type: Toy
Location: Canada (Qc)
Posts: 2,865
Thanks: 4,986
Thanked 3,904 Times in 1,825 Posts
Default

Jupiter sounds like very Nice dog ! Don't feel guilty about this; even if it's from the vaccine, you did it for good reasons and There is no way you could have anticipated this reaction.

I'll cross m'y fingers it's not tumor. And no more seizures for your baby!

Sometimes seizures happen for no apparent reason. My Chihuahua has had a few and no side effects. At least that we know of. She had the first one many many years ago. She is 11 now.
Dechi is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dechi For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-18-2015)
Old 09-18-2015, 12:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 29,907, Level: 100 Points: 29,907, Level: 100 Points: 29,907, Level: 100
Activity: 52.6% Activity: 52.6% Activity: 52.6%
Last Achievements
 
patk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,205
Thanks: 15,692
Thanked 7,851 Times in 3,742 Posts
Default

so sorry to hear about jupiter.
__________________

If you don't own a dog, at least one, there is not necessarily anything wrong with you,
but there may be something wrong with your life. ~ Roger Caras
If you don't spoil your dog, you shouldn't have a dog. ~ patk
patk is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to patk For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-18-2015)
 
Old 09-18-2015, 01:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 4,978, Level: 48 Points: 4,978, Level: 48 Points: 4,978, Level: 48
Activity: 1.3% Activity: 1.3% Activity: 1.3%
Last Achievements
 
Nicofreako's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Names of dogs: Franny (Border Collie) Nico (Spoo)
Poodle Type: Female Spoo
Location: Texas
Posts: 438
Thanks: 2,392
Thanked 544 Times in 318 Posts
Default

I totally understand your reluctance to vaccinate Jupiter. I am in Texas and rabies is also required by law, but when my border collie turned 12 I told my vet I was not going to vaccinate her any more because she's 12 years old and the chances she would get rabies was next to nothing compared to the chance the vaccination might cause her issues.
What are the legal consequences to you if you choose not to vaccinate Jupiter? In Texas, though it's required by law (every 3 years), the only thing that's withheld is your county tags. Tags are only important if your dog is likely to get lost, roam around, or bite someone. Since Franny in unlikely to do any of those things I will take the chance without tags.
Nico - my spoo - had a mild reaction to her rabies, and since she will be 10 when her next shot is due, I also broached the idea to my vet that I would not vaccinate her again. I wanted to know if they could still get vet care. He gave me the usual info of risks, but then he said he would never refuse treatment to animal because they were not vaccinated. We smiled, and I knew that meant I could make my choice, and he would still be their vet.
Long post -but do you think if you honestly told your vet your concerns for Jupiter, that he might be willing to concede and not vaccinate? If I were you, I would stand by my conviction that the lepto caused the seizures, and perhaps he would give you a pass?
We know our animals better than anyone and I totally agree with you that the lepto is likely the cause for the seizures, so let them know you feel that way.
If the legal consequences for not vaccinating are minor and you are willing to risk it, then make the choice and then see if your vet will still treat Jupiter.
Feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss anything else - or consider other options. Texas is probably very similar to NC.
Nicofreako is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Nicofreako For This Useful Post:
ArreauStandardPoodle (09-19-2015), marialydia (09-18-2015), Mfmst (09-19-2015), Tiny Poodles (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 12:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 141,520, Level: 100 Points: 141,520, Level: 100 Points: 141,520, Level: 100
Activity: 99.9% Activity: 99.9% Activity: 99.9%
Last Achievements
 
MollyMuiMa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Names of dogs: Molly
Poodle Type: MPooX
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 12,405
Thanks: 18,947
Thanked 19,522 Times in 8,479 Posts
Default

HEY JUPITER........................................... ..




Marialydia,

I hope Jupiter's seizure was just a one off and he can live the rest of his life in good health! I'm sorry you had to give him the Lepto vac, but sometimes it is a necessity that just can't be ignored. Considering the habitat you live in it was a choice you had to make, don't feel guilty about it!
Rabies vacs are also mandatory here and my Molly is unlucky enough to have had a skin reaction to it both times, so I can sympathize with anyone whose dogs have bad reactions to any vac!!!
I'm just glad Lepto is not necessary here and titers for other core vaccines (except rabies is rarely accepted!) will be done in the future!
__________________
I pledge allegience to Ms Royalty
In the United States of her kingdom
And to her rules for which it stands
One Princess under God
In the visible
With diamonds and bones for ALL
MollyMuiMa is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MollyMuiMa For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 01:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 136,213, Level: 100 Points: 136,213, Level: 100 Points: 136,213, Level: 100
Activity: 100.0% Activity: 100.0% Activity: 100.0%
Last Achievements
Award-Showcase
 
lily cd re's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Names of dogs: Lily, Javelin and Peeves (GSD)
Poodle Type: 2 standards
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 13,980
Thanks: 17,322
Thanked 24,399 Times in 9,954 Posts
Default

Happy birthday Jupiter. I hope you have good health and that nothing bad is happening inside your head.
__________________

Catherine
Lily AKC: CGC CD HIT CDX, RN RA RE RAE...RAE8 Multiple Rally High Combined, NA NAJ; APDT: RL-1; CPE: CL1-R, CL1-H, CL1-F, CL1-S, CL1
Peeves AKC: CGC BN RN RA
Javelin AKC: CGC RN (landed on Long Island July 10, 2015!)
http://www.poodleforum.com/35-52-wee...s-javelin.html

http://www.poodleforum.com/24-perfor...g-road-ud.html

lily cd re is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to lily cd re For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 02:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 46,199, Level: 100 Points: 46,199, Level: 100 Points: 46,199, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4% Activity: 99.4% Activity: 99.4%
Last Achievements
 
zooeysmom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Names of dogs: Maizie, Frosty, Zooey
Poodle Type: Standard Poodles, Maltese
Location: CA
Posts: 5,055
Thanks: 9,814
Thanked 7,868 Times in 3,483 Posts
Default

Happy Birthday, Jupiter! I'm so sorry about the seizure. I would not do the rabies vaccine. Assuming he's had the vaccine at least every 3 years, he's certainly good for the rest of his life. I'd ignore the law to keep him safe since his health is fragile.
zooeysmom is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to zooeysmom For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-19-2015), Mfmst (09-19-2015), Nicofreako (09-19-2015), Streetcar (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 04:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 139,160, Level: 100 Points: 139,160, Level: 100 Points: 139,160, Level: 100
Activity: 43.9% Activity: 43.9% Activity: 43.9%
Last Achievements
 
peppersb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Names of dogs: Bob, Cammie and Sam
Poodle Type: standard
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 1,680
Thanks: 6,618
Thanked 4,088 Times in 1,230 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicofreako View Post
... What are the legal consequences to you if you choose not to vaccinate Jupiter? ...
I have a friend that ran in to some entirely unexpected legal consequences related to not getting the required rabies vaccination for her cat. It all worked out OK in the end, but it was very scary.

A friend of mine was taking care of another friend's cat. The owner of the cat went to another state to take care of her sister who had stage 4 cancer. The owner of the cat ended up being away for a couple of years. It got so that the question of who owned the cat was a little bit fuzzy. The one who was taking care of the cat was not an experienced pet owner, and it never occurred to her take the cat to a vet or to check on the status of the cat's rabies vaccination. Meanwhile, the original owner was out of state with a very sick sister and notices that she may have gotten from her vet were not exactly the on the top of her list of things to pay attention to. So the cat's rabies vaccination was a year or two overdue.

The cat was mostly an indoor cat, but occasionally went outside. On one of those outside trips at night, the cat was bitten by "an unknown animal." So my friend took the cat to the vet to check the wound. And that's when she found out that if a cat (or a dog) gets bitten by unknown animal, it is a reportable event. IOW the vet is required to notify local authorities. The local township authorities notified the vet and the owner/caretaker that the cat would have to be quarantined at a vet office for 6 months or euthanized. How would you like to have that choice????

Fortunately, the vet did a brilliant job of going to bat for this cat and the township officials were willing to listen to reason and apparently had some discretion. The vet pointed out that the cat had been previously vaccinated twice and that even though the vaccination was way overdue, the vet thought that the cat was still immune. The township officials agreed to a compromise. The cat could be quarantined in the owner/caretaker's home. The cat had to stay inside during the 6 month quarantine, and a final vet report and a final visit by township officials was required.

So in the end, the consequences were not too bad. But that experience made me want to make sure that my dogs' rabies vaccinations are on the right side of the law.
peppersb is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to peppersb For This Useful Post:
ArreauStandardPoodle (09-19-2015), Carolinek (09-20-2015), marialydia (09-19-2015), Nicofreako (09-20-2015), Tiny Poodles (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 05:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 32,816, Level: 100 Points: 32,816, Level: 100 Points: 32,816, Level: 100
Activity: 99.6% Activity: 99.6% Activity: 99.6%
Last Achievements
 
Mfmst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Names of dogs: Buck
Poodle Type: Standard
Location: Houston
Posts: 5,637
Thanks: 14,137
Thanked 6,872 Times in 3,950 Posts
Default

I hope Jupiter enjoys his birthday and many more. There should be a waiver for senior animals, if there is a strong likelihood of an adverse effect and the animal is a house pet. Maybe I'm taking the threat of a 14 year old Poodle contracting rabies too lightly. I've never heard of anyone with a rabid dog other than Cujo.
Mfmst is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Mfmst For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-20-2015), Nicofreako (09-19-2015), peppersb (09-19-2015), Tiny Poodles (09-19-2015)
Old 09-19-2015, 06:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
Points: 46,199, Level: 100 Points: 46,199, Level: 100 Points: 46,199, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4% Activity: 99.4% Activity: 99.4%
Last Achievements
 
zooeysmom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Names of dogs: Maizie, Frosty, Zooey
Poodle Type: Standard Poodles, Maltese
Location: CA
Posts: 5,055
Thanks: 9,814
Thanked 7,868 Times in 3,483 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfmst View Post
There should be a waiver for senior animals, if there is a strong likelihood of an adverse effect and the animal is a house pet.
Yes, or titers!
zooeysmom is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to zooeysmom For This Useful Post:
marialydia (09-20-2015), Nicofreako (09-19-2015)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
AKC Invitational - Dec 14th Minnie Poodle Talk 2 12-13-2013 07:45 PM
AKC Invitational - Dec 14th Minnie Showing 0 12-13-2013 07:22 PM
Birthday... Oreo's Mommy Poodle Talk 9 09-10-2013 04:37 AM
Showing in Colorado the 14th and 15th savedoggies Showing 2 04-05-2012 10:08 AM
Somebody's going to have a birthday soon... Bella's Momma Poodle Talk 15 03-11-2010 07:08 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:18 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
All (C) PoodleForum.com
PetGuide.com
Basset Hound Forum Doberman Forum Golden Retriever Forum Beagle Forum
Boxer Forum Dog Forum Pit Bull Forum Poodle Forum
Bulldog Forum Fish Forum Havanese Forum Maltese Forum
Cat Forum German Shepherd Forum Labradoodle Forum Yorkie Forum Hedgehog Forum
Chihuahua Forum Retriever Breeds Cichlid Forum Dart Frog Forum Mice Breeder Forum