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Old 12-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Save up your money & go to the UKC Premier in Kalamazoo Michigan. I have only been 1x but loved it. Well back a good 18 years & showed my Mixed breeds in Agility & Obed. I have heard it is large & there will be lots of poodles. I will be going, my breeder from Florida, at least 2-3 Poodle breeders here in NC will be going. Then again many of us will be showing in the Multi Color Poodle ring but still you will find solids showing as well. You can see some of the Poodles that were showing at UKC Premier 2012 if you go to the Multi Colored Poodle website. Their recent Newsletter had photos of winning Poodles. Anyway, I will be going to that show but before that I will be going to a show in Virginia & in Hickory NC. Do you know the dates for the PA shows. A bit far for me BUT you never know.
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Totally forgot to say that in the Shirley Kalstone Poodle book there is a stunning White Spoo in an ESS with a CURLY pack & I so love looking at that picture. I am not a fan of the Continental BUT I love the Scandi & the variations from other countries- the English Puppy, T-Clip etc... So much elegance & flair.
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... Do you know the dates for the PA shows. A bit far for me BUT you never know.
If I have a windfall, I'll certainly consider Kalamazoo, but I'm a self-employed editor, so income isn't predictable. :(

For you, and for anyone who's a bit closer, here's the show schedule just within an hour or so of Gettysburg. I understand there's also a Total Dog conformation/rally event in Bel Air, MD, on Mother's Day weekend.
  • 3/9/2013-3/10/2013: OTCH (Obedience Training Class of Harrisburg): UKC Conformation. Indoors. (I'm show chairman--our first 4-show weekend!)
  • 4/27/2013-4/28/2013: TNT Canines: UKC Conformation / Total Dog South Mountain Fairgrounds near Biglerville, PA. Conformation indoors, Rally under roof in open pavilions.
  • 7/27/2013-7/28/2013: OTCH: UKC Conformation. Indoors.

There are also UKC Rally/Agility events, but it sounds like you're looking for conformation.

I haven't been paying attention to AKC events, but the breeder and her mom are both into AKC obedience and rally and I'm being "encouraged" to go along to the specialty in Salisbury, MD, in April.
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Totally forgot to say that in the Shirley Kalstone Poodle book there is a stunning White Spoo in an ESS with a CURLY pack & I so love looking at that picture....
I've got that book! I bought it before I even brought Neely home.

And the groomer did say that the pack is supposed to be curly, so I'm with you on that! Love that Persian lamb look.
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Forgive my newbe question but I want to know. What is the "curly pack" and what does ESS stand for?
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Wow. These cuts are beautiful.

I think all of you are Grooming Goddesses to accomplish an English Saddle or Continental Cut.

For me, it is hard to not want to touch---so I have to put my hands behind my back and walk by....

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Yes the ES should have a curly pack!
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Then I can just assume that the groomer just didn't like ES, huh? I don't expect to show him until our March UKC shows in Mechanicsburg, PA, and April UKC (with Total Dog) near Biglerville, PA. He turns 1 year on Feb. 9--I hope I'll have something to brag about this spring.
Not necessarily, some dogs can't do the ES. If done incorrectly the dog will look to have faults when it doesn't or at least accentuate them. PCA WB is a Very short backed typey bitch with nice movement and good reach & drive. I would love to see more angulation on her but she looked very nice in the ES. I don't think my girl will look as nice but I have till May to keep growing coat. If the ES doesn't do her justice I'll have plenty of time to put her back into the continental.


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ES looked very good on PCA WB!! Now, my dog is not your super short-backed type - he is more square and has adequate length of back to accommodate his ample bend and length of his rear legs - (without being long in the body).

Here are photos of him in ESC, CC, and cut down. You can decide which clip suited him best. Honestly, I think he looked better in CC because it showed off his rear. I think the ESC would have looked much better if we'd had more jacket hair. But he was only 1.5 years old, and my first show coat.
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Forgive my newbe question but I want to know. What is the "curly pack" and what does ESS stand for?
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I'm a poodle newbie too--the pack is area of hair that looks like a pair of shorts in an English Saddle (ES) or English Saddle Clip (ESC). It's the show trim that's an acceptable alternative to the Continental in AKC. UKC also allows these two trims, plus the sporting trim. Just above this answer should be some pictures that illustrate the differences.

The Continental and English Saddle are pretty much the same on the front part of the dog. In the back, though ...

--The Continental has the shaved back end and pom-poms on the hip.
--The English saddle has the pack, which is allowed to be curly, not fluffed and brushed out, thus "curly pack," with fluffy hair in between a shaved band above the hock and a shaved band just above the stifle.
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