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Old 12-26-2011, 08:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've seen several people on this board say quite definitively that poodles have 'hair not fur' and I' wondering how you came to that? did you decide it yourself? or read it somewhere?

I have always believed poodles have wool, the first person to import poodles into NZ back in the '50s apparently took a snippet of her dogs coat into the NZ Wool board for identification, they ruled that it was definitely wool. I heard that when I first started learning about poodles and I guess it's always stuck with me

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Wool is the textile fiber obtained from sheep and certain other animals,[1] including cashmere from goats, mohair from goats, qiviut from muskoxen, vicuņa, alpaca, camel from animals in the camel family, and angora from rabbits.[citation needed]
Wool has several qualities that distinguish it from hair or fur: it is crimped, it is elastic, and it grows in staples

Fur is a synonym for hair, used more in reference to non-human animals, usually mammals

Hair is a filamentous biomaterial, that grows from follicles found in the dermis. Found exclusively in mammals, hair is one of the defining characteristics of the mammalian class

Bearing in mind that it's all semantics anyway technically all three definitions fit the poodle what do you guys think?
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I have always heard that poodles have hair/fur.

Some people like to differentiate that poodles have "hair" and not fur, because there is a single layer of coat. That said, I think it's all semantics. Hair, fur, whatever you want to call it.
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Fur: hair that grows with a tapered point and falls out aka shedding
Hair: continues to grow, dog will need life time grooming

That's how I say the difference.
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fluffyspoos definition is the way I have always thought about it. I also think fur coming to a tapered point works, but if we didn't cut poodle hair, would it also come to a point?

In every site I checked, fur and hair are synonymous. Fur is used to refer to nonhuman animals.

from Wikipedia:
Since poodles do not have the plush double coat of many breeds, their fur is often referred to as "hair", a term usually reserved for humans.

From a textile site:
"Wool differs from hair and fur in that it has a natural felting ability."

SOOoooooo...does poodle hair felt? Poodle hair can be corded.

from a site on felting wool:
"What is Felt? Very simply, felt is matted wool. Wool becomes felt when it is subjected to moisture, heat, and pressure. (In fact, if domestic sheep were not shorn, over time their wool would felt or "cot".) Hot soapy water makes the wool slippery, and causes tiny scales on the fiber to "open up". The scales prevent the fibers from backing up again after they slide across each other; with agitation, the fibers get hopelessly tangled together. When cooled and dried, the scales close and lock the wool into the tough, durable material we call felt. "

How do people cord poodle hair/fur? Do they get it wet and then twist it together while drying with a blowdryer? That would be 'moisture, heat and pressure.' Another case for poodle hair/fur being wool. The only thing I question is wool has little barbs along it's shaft, if I recall, which makes it weave together nicely. Does poodle hair/fur have barbs?

If only wool can be felted, how do you explain Rastafarians with their dreadlocks? Dreadlocks are just matted hair. Hmm..

In an aside, I found this cool discussion about poodle clipping/care written in 1894:
http://www.poodlehistory.org/R1LEE.HTM

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Poodle hair definately DOES felt, a fellow poodle owner near me makes felt badges with the hair she brushes out of her poodles! She told me how she makes it, quite interesting.

So I guess poodles do have wool!
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When it comes to spinning yarn furr will be more of a rope texture and it's more if a smooth rod shape. With it having no way to attatch to other stands, it continues to 'shed.'
Poodle Hair or wool has more of a scale structure and as the twist is being made the scales attach to each other like a lock. So it's like sheep, alpaca or llama fiber. Llama when wet smells like wet dog.

I plan to spin my dogs hair. It works better when it is longer than an inch staple.
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Hmmm, but since I have allergies and am allergic to wool and to cats (big time) and dogs (but not poodles, bichon, etc.) how would you then differentiate? Honestly, my immune system can tell the difference.
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My dogs aren't sheep, even though I LOVE sheep! So I'm going to continue saying hair! Though I normally refer to it as 'coat.'
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Regarding the allergy issue, it's dog dander not dog hair that is a known allergen. Also, I'm with flufyspoos. Though a dog's coat is wool-like, it's not wool.
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I think it is wool.
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