Originally Posted by T Keeling

... 8 weeks old... I shaved his face and feet off, to reveal a silvery khaki color.

Originally Posted by lavillerose

I've been obsessed with color genetics in animals since I was a kid, when my family raised goats and I had one that was incorrectly colored for her breed (I never won a class because of that, but I loved her anyway!). That's translated to horses and dogs, but if I've learned one thing for sure, it's that color genetics are freaking complicated!.

Silver Beige and Silver are genetically similar. I'm not completely sure if it is the same dilute gene acting on black vs brown, but it appears to work that way, the pups are born dark and clear to a mid to light silver on black, and to a mid to light silvery beige on brown. Shane of Alegria that was linked above is probably the quintessential example of the light silver beige. He was the first mini (possibly first of any variety? I don't remember) of that color to not only achieve a championship, but also the first to be #1 in the country!

I'm still confused about Cafe au Lait, myself. Every single website and book I've seen says specifically that you can't predict cafe au lait on a puppy, and yet, they all show a photo of a puppy when referring to that color! I want to see a good photo of an adult, fully cleared Cafe au Lait, but I'm assuming it's an even, light creamy brown with no hint of silvering.

Really nice apricots are hard to find in my opinion. They should really be a peachy color, whereas creams should be like buttermilk, a couple of shades off white. A lot of apricots seem to fade out and become a little too light, making it hard to tell the difference between that and cream.

And reds, oh reds! I am glad to see more breeders really working to produce healthy dogs that hold their red color and getting better textured coats on them. I've dreamt of having a deep red poodle for ages.

Originally Posted by Charley'sMom

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to Poodle Forum. I came across Purley's original post regarding color and the irritating woman who says that silver poodles are a cross with something like a Schnauzer. I definitely was lol at that one. I just got a silver mini puppy (see attached picture)! He comes from someone who I think is a notable breeder of silvers, Aery Poodles. Anyway, I'm not an expert and when I got Charley, I was just looking for a very well bred puppy. At 15 1/2 weeks, so far so good!! And, I'm pretty sure he's not part Schnauzer! ~

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Originally Posted by Lou

Mmmm... Im also confused about my Lou's color.. am I allowed to post some small pictures here of how her color changes depending on light?

Im confused wether she is really an apricot like her breeder and paper says
or a cafe au lait with black points.

Thanks! nice thread :-)

Originally Posted by CharismaticMillie

Miniature Poodles - Amity Valley Kennels Scroll down to the bottom to see the image of Frankie in pattern. He is a cafe. I recently saw a video of a cafe bitch moving (nicely!!) that someone took at one of their local shows. Her color was that same type of light, creamy brown. Literally like coffee mixed with cream. I have seen very light cafes as well - looked like coffee with LOTS of milk. That being said, I agree it is insanely difficult to find pictures of adult cafes. I'd like to see one in person one day as I bet this would give lots of insight to understanding and recognizing the color.