poodlelover, he's gorgeous and I absolutely LOVE the ticking. I am obsessed with ticking, ha ha! If I wasn't planning on getting a show puppy next, I would definitely consider a parti from one of the very few parti breeders I would support. I disagree with the motive behind most parti breeders which is the biggest issue I have with purchasing a parti poodle. Someone like Gloria from Tintlet, though, I would definitely feel comfortable buying a parti puppy from.
while I find that article interesting, I think its a bit different than allowing partis into the show ring.
Oh yeah I agree. I didn't mean anything in particular, the thread just made me think of that article. Like, the objection to mixes would be whether there is a fixed standard you can evaluate against. Is that a part of the resistance against partis, that their coats are harder to evaluate? If they even are. Just wondering out loud.
Partis however, are supposed to be one of the oldest "true colours" of the standard poodle (according to some poodle people) thus making them purebred poodles
I had never heard that. Interesting. I always thought white was first.
I actually think you're spot on, I saw one member that hasn't posted in awhile. state that they didn't care for partis because 1. they were bred outside of the breed standard and 2. that the ticking and colour blotches throw off the line of the dog...
I disagree with that assessment, because if the judge were doing their jobs properly and feeling every dog in front of them...no matter the coat colour the most superb dog would win >.> but that may be barking up a different tree XD
have you seen the Poodle History site?
its basically said that because poodley looking dogs with black and white markings popped up in such and such artists work so many years ago that that must be around the time the poodle was created and the parti was one of the first, its quite interesting...but I'm not sure of the validity
Names of dogs: Levi,Tammy, Madonna,Layla, Billie, Cory, Piper
Poodle Type: standard, solids and parti
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well..I like the partis..lol
actually I get more requests for solid puppies than partis.
the ticking appears to be dominant, and the dogs gets more as it ages. I like the clear colors, but ticking doesn't bother me.
I started breeding partis after they were accepted by UKC. really don't get any flack from my AKC friends..most of them like partis too. But until PCA allows them to compete for Championships, there will be a stigma.
I think if they're just as structurally sound, and meet the breed standard for conformation the pattern of a dog's coat should not be a disqualifying fault in poodles.
especially when just a white blaze could prevent a stunning dog with good conformation-even amazing conformation from being shown in Canada....
I personally love the look of parti's though i'm a little funny on the markings being kinda even, i seem to prefer a solid-ish head and more larger patches then the smaller ticking, but when i looked at how most parti's are totally bred for money in large kennels, i shied away, how they are raised/tested/fed & trained is just too important for me, and canada is really lacking in the parti breeders(as far as i know anyhow)
I think they're lovely, providing they get all the same health testing as solids. There will unfortunately always be BYB's who think breeding a "rare" color combo is gonna rake in the $$, but since they've been allowed in UKC and some other breed clubs around the world, I think more ethical breeders are working to improve the health and conformational issues, just as some are concentrating on improving reds (which I also adore). I personally don't see why eventually the major clubs couldn't accept them, even if they kept them as separate varieties. They do it with dachshunds (by size and coat type) and cockers (by color), and a few others. Of course, some of us think Standards ought to go back in with the sporting dogs where they belong as well!
As a pet groomer, though, I see A LOT of really badly bred partis, particularly in toys and minis. Short legs, stocky, long bodies, bad teeth, crappy hair. The parti standards I've seen are much closer to type, but there aren't many of them around here.
I absolutely LOVE partis. Someday I will own one. You know, now that I think about it, I don't thing I've ever seen a mini or a toy parti, only standards. Smaller-size partis must exist, though. Or do they?
I frequent a toy poodle forum and I have seen one poster who has a cute little parti toy. So adorable!