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Old 10-18-2014, 11:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I froze, not really. But I just pulled Lou and covered her with my body and yelled the worst cuss words to the dogs owner. (Lou was attacked by 2 wiener dogs I can't spell that breeds name) they were evil!!!! But Lou was 4 months old and very very hairy so their teeth didn't penetrate skin, but she was terrified screaming and did not bite them back! Dammed flexi-leashes and stupid owners! These 2 dogs were about 20-30 feet ahead of the owner who had a tiny toddler with him too!!! What an idiot!
I yelled so many awful things in front of the child but sorry dude, your fault!
I said stuff like: "take control of you F*=^%# dogs!!!!! WT* !!!

And a few days later his wife was walking the 2 dogs (again several feet ahead of her) and I was coming around the corner and saw them, I yelled: "ma'am please wait till I cross the street, your dogs attacked mine, let's me just get out of the way" she kept coming toward me with an attitude (I was stuck against this building's wall crying) and she yelled at me: "get a grip!" Or something like that ... I moved outta there. It was an apartment complex with a fenced in dog park and all but I was so terrified to walk her. These people was so mean.

I wish I would have beaten the crap out of those little F*^#+s !!!!!
But the guy was a huge motorcycle tattooed bald with goatee type guy... So I just cried hard ...

But I never imagined. was not prepared . so now I know I will fight the dog and scream "Lou/Apollo go home right now! Go away!!" They know that that means and I'd fight the dog regardless what size, maybe wouldn't fight too hard if the dog is heavier than me. But I'd still kick it over and over !! And actually would be glad to be bitten on my arm or hand son I can sue the owner big time!! I'd pull the "I have anxiety disorder , I'm not only physically insured but now I could have panic syndrome and panic attacks forever , because of YOUR irresponsible actions! You are guilty! Not just the dog. The dog is a product of your negligence ....!!!"

Whew! Gosh that makes my blood boil

So don't feel bad, I mean some people may disagree... But I'd definitely fight for my babies, no doubt ! I'd get blinded by rage and mother-instincts and just launch toward whatever is putting them in danger.

Yes, I know that I feel a lot of rage when a nippy, body slamming bigger puppy goes after Timi - I can control it, but it isn't easy - if a dog went after her with true aggression with, I am pretty sure that
I would loose it completely and might badly injure or kill the dog. I am thankful that it is unlikely to happen - they all seem to like Timi, she has great dodging skills, and she stays far away from trouble, but still you never know what dog with what kind of issues will appear at the park.
I had nasty words with a guy with his dog on a flexi last week - the dog was also wearing an E collar, and we were coming towards each other on a narrow sidewalk. I stopped, pulled Timi to my side next to a wall and behind me waiting for them to pass, and instead he allowed the dog, a large schnauzer to circle behind me to get to Timi, wrapping it's leash around my legs, and I was out of places to move her away from it. I said why would you do that when it is obvious that I am trying to keep my dog away from yours", and he replied "well I remember her from the dog park, so I thought it was Ok" What! I said " Basic leash etiquette - you don't do that". A) I am trying to teach Timi not to lunge at every dog that we pass on the street B) I don't know if his dog is sick or injured - I don't want Timi exposed to anything, I don't want her to bother a dog who might have just had surgery, C) No matter how non-aggressive rude idiot thinks his five times bigger dog is, that could change quick if he has an injury and is in pain! I was absolutely livid! Thank goodness the dog did not do anything to Timi!
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I would fight to keep my dog safe, I have done it with my own ! Even if the other dog is 3 to 5 times bigger than your dog, it is not 3 to 5 times bigger than you. You don't have to kill another persons dog to protect your own, that is my thinking on this subject.
Carley and Stella have both bit our neighbor's small dog. It was my fault and I take full blame. I told Carley to get it , because it was using our yard for it's potty. I did not think she would touch the dog ! I was at fault, then Stella saw how Carley hated the dog and she started going after it as well. I did put a stop to it. Neither dog caused damage to the small dog, but they should not have touched it at all. I would have been very upset if my neighbor had killed my very much loved dogs. I was at fault here, not them. I learned from it . Both people and dogs make mistakes, and when you can do other things other than harm or kill a dog for not being trained by it's owner, why not do so. That is all I am saying, I will not say more... smiles.
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I would fight to keep my dog safe, I have done it with my own ! Even if the other dog is 3 to 5 times bigger than your dog, it is not 3 to 5 times bigger than you. You don't have to kill another persons dog to protect your own, that is my thinking on this subject.

Carley and Stella have both bit our neighbor's small dog. It was my fault and I take full blame. I told Carley to get it , because it was using our yard for it's potty. I did not think she would touch the dog ! I was at fault, then Stella saw how Carley hated the dog and she started going after it as well. I did put a stop to it. Neither dog caused damage to the small dog, but they should not have touched it at all. I would have been very upset if my neighbor had killed my very much loved dogs. I was at fault here, not them. I learned from it . Both people and dogs make mistakes, and when you can do other things other than harm or kill a dog for not being trained by it's owner, why not do so. That is all I am saying, I will not say more... smiles.

Oh hey, not saying that if I had TIME to think, I would walk over and kill somebodies dog, I am just saying that WHILE it was in process of hurting Timi, I would probably choose assault if it looked like there was even a chance that pulling, pushing or dragging it away would cause Timi extra harm - and when you are speaking of a relatively small dog, there is a greater chance that assault could lead to mortal injury.
In this case, the owner of the Frenchie was able to lift it straight up in the air by it's harness. I think it's victim was probably saved by it's flat Frenchie jaw - it really could not get it's jaw around the dog.
But in your situation, you were NOT to blame - 100% your neighbors fault for allowing their dog to be loose to enter your property - you would have been entirely blameless if your dogs had killed it!
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the ideal would be owners who recognized their dogs don't belong at a dog park unless or until their neuroses are under control. barring that, talk softly and carry a big stick - literally.
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Here is an article with suggestions about handling strange dogs when walking.What To Do If A Dog Is Chasing You | Robin Bennett

I like the umbrella suggestion, kind of a version of the big stick method. Train your dogs to get use to the sound of the umbrella opening, so if a strange person lets her dog get close to yours, press the button and open the umbrella in the face of the intruding dog. It won't hurt the dog and may make the point with its owner that you do NOT like strange dogs near your dog. Maybe you'll get the nickname of Umbrella Woman, like in "Stay away from that Umbrella Woman!"

If you are walking multiple dogs I think it might be harder to control the situation. You might need a third hand for the umbrella. Just something to consider.
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Well now you have gone and done it I went totally psycho crazy bitch on a woman who brought her 50 pound puppy into the small dog area today and would not leave.
Did you ever go so nuts that it was like you were standing outside yourself, watching and wondering "who is that person?" Lol
I would have really been embarrassed by behaving like that, but since it was for Timi, I was sort of proud...
So now they all think that I am "crazy psycho bitch", but they probably would not want to mess with my dog and see that again, so I will accept the title for Timi :-)
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So in the months that I have been taking Timi to dog parks, I have witnessed 4 or 5 truly aggressive fights. Nobody has ever so much as curled a lip or growled at Timi, the worst that has ever happened to her is overly nippy or body slamming from too big for her puppies.
But I was just wondering - all the fights that I have seen so far have been between males, and I am wondering if that is typical, so I do not have much worries of Timi ever being targeted? One time there were only two boys and her in the park, and everything was fine until we left, but before we even got 20 feet away, they broke out in a vicious fight, so I kind of thought that it was because she had left.
And by the way, if a dog does ever attack Timi, am I within my rights to do anything to that dog? Yesterday was not really a fight, it was one dog attacking another dog that was laying on it's back in submission. I truly am afraid that if anyone or any dog tried to hurt Timi, I would loose it, and might use excessive force in my anger...... Like I wouldn't have just pulled that dog off of her, I probably would have pulled it off and slammed it's head into to the ground to knock it out and not give it a chance to come back as I gathered up Timi. Does that sound awful? Maybe I have watched to many horror movies, but one really lesson that I have learned from them is that that you don't knock the bad guy down and run, because they will be right back after you - when you have them down, use the opportunity to make it so that they are unable to come at you a second time.
Sorry if you think i am being overly creepy about this, I just think that it helps to play these scenarios out in my mind a little bit, so if God forbid anything ever does happen, I won't get frozen with shock and will be able to take quick action. Timi LOVES the dog park and has great skills there, so there is no way that we are going to stop going....
Our dog park has a big dog and a small dog side. No dogs over 20lbs are allowed in the small dog side. Usually there aren't any dogs but mine in the small dog side which is just fine with me. That way Sasha (she is blind) can get in an open area and run without bumping into anything or anyone. The joy on her face is indescribable.
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Yes, I only take Timi to parks that have small dog sections, but people always stretch it and stretch it - that idiot yesterday stretched it until I finally broke!
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Yes, I only take Timi to parks that have small dog sections, but people always stretch it and stretch it - that idiot yesterday stretched it until I finally broke!
I take it you were successful in getting her to remove her 50 lb dog from the small dog area. Did she say WHY she was bringing her dog there? Was it because it was a puppy even though it was large?
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Yes, I know that I feel a lot of rage when a nippy, body slamming bigger puppy goes after Timi - I can control it, but it isn't easy
Yr right to control it, TP. Just watch Timi. Bowling and being bowled are part of the game sometimes. As long as she's enjoying the romp, it doesn't matter that she's on the bottom occasionally. I start walking toward 'the romp' if I hear a yelp. Or see some dog getting pinned. 9 times out of 10 it's a yelp of surprise only, or a momentary tussle.

My advantage tho, is that I usually know most of the 'pinners', and can sneak up and grab their collars.

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I had nasty words with a guy with his dog on a flexi last week - the dog was also wearing an E collar, and we were coming towards each other on a narrow sidewalk. I stopped, pulled Timi to my side next to a wall and behind me waiting for them to pass, and instead he allowed the dog, a large schnauzer to circle behind me to get to Timi, wrapping it's leash around my legs, and I was out of places to move her away from it. I said why would you do that when it is obvious that I am trying to keep my dog away from yours", and he replied "well I remember her from the dog park, so I thought it was Ok" What! I said " Basic leash etiquette - you don't do that".
I love my flexi. But I 'flex' it!

Tonka doesn't control it when there's people or dogs near... I do!
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