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Old 02-16-2017, 05:47 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I agree, fear mongering does go both ways, which is why I said .......Shame on those that do not, no matter what their personal beliefs are.

And maybe it's just me, but IMO the raw camp has typically come across more on the fanatical side. When I listen or read the views held by someone like Becker, much of what she states comes across to me as très bizarre.

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Then you're left with #2 - nutritional imbalance. For this, if you're talking about commercial raw food and commercial processed food companies, the difference is not raw/fresh vs. processed,
Typically I believe this is a case of commercially processed food, vs home made raw food. When the raw movement started, everyone feeding raw was creating their own food, in their own kitchen. Many still are. Many with zero experience on animal nutrition, other than whatever research they have performed online. For many years there were no commercially available - raw diets, and that is when these arguments about nutritional imbalance began.

This isn't a case of who's the biggest, it's a case of people with absolutely no background in animal nutrition creating diets for animals.

Today there is a lot more information that can be gleaned online, than back in the 90's when the BARF movement was going strong. I think for a DVM that is much like it would be for an MD, with folks going online and reading up on various ailments, and then self prescribing and self medicating themselves. It can be a slippery slope, especially if the animal being fed has specific medical needs, or problems.
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Kevin I was thinking about this thread after yesterday's "fresh" postings and what I might want to say in regard to them. We must have been in each others' heads since you very clearly made my arguments for me. I think the only thing I would add is that we have to be able to believe that all of the people involved in the enterprise of pet food production have one motivator: producing the best product possible based on available nutritional research (no profit concerns, no interest in what competitors are doing or at least the ability to put those things far enough into the background to make them minor issues).
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No profit concerns? Who can say that, about anything? I love my job, my boss is one of the best, but that doesn't mean that I don't care how much I get paid.

I think that it's fair to say that about commercial products, no matter what it is, dog food to you name it. One can place the utmost care, love, etc into the product, strive to be the absolute best, and still be concerned about profit. Part of that profit and overall success is shared with the employees.
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Obviously I know that you can't run a business without wanting to make a profit! It can't be the concern that overrides decisions about safety, quality and integrity. Sadly there are enterprises that lose sight of what the priorities should be and cut corners in the name of the $$$ bottom line. Dogs died when companies cheated on their protein analysis and used melamine to make their foods look like they met AAFCO standards when they not only didn't meet the nutritional standard, but instead had been rendered outright dangerous.
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Yes, unfortunately in all walks of life there will be those that view their bottom line, as the only line. There is no getting away from that, and as consumers we can vote with our wallets - which is exactly why pet food companies (all of them, not just dog/cat) have had to continuously step up their game over the years.


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Dogs died when companies cheated on their protein analysis and used melamine to make their foods look like they met AAFCO standards when they not only didn't meet the nutritional standard, but instead had been rendered outright dangerous.

This is part of the reason why one needs to better scrutinize vendors of the various raw ingredients used in pet foods, whether the end product is raw, or kibble. And when dealing with foreign suppliers, and countries with different standards and regulations than ours, tighter vetting needs to take place. Melamine slipped in from suppliers in China because at that time no one in North America was testing for melamine - they simply tested for crude protein content. In Canada, now not only are suppliers/manufacturers testing for these substances, government inspectors require safety checks of the plants that are based in these foreign countries. If they don't pass the sniff test, they aren't allowed into the country. Even manufacturers of pet fish food have found this out the hard way. Allow our inspectors in, or you won't be certified or allowed into the country.

Hard lessons to learn, but a move in the right direction. And another reason why when feeding kibble, I choose to feed locally manufactured food, that is made from locally sourced raw ingredients, that are fit for human consumption. In some cases our dogs are eating the same foods that we eat. A colossal improvement over what our pets were receiving 50 years ago when I was a youngster.
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RD., yes certainly raw food commercial production companies can be as guilty as kibble and canned manufacturers in poor motivation and corner cutting for the sake of profit. This situation for pet food is as complex and fraught with potential danger as is human food production (loaded with its own recalls and less than honorable moments). I suppose one should not expect excellence in all aspects of pet food production when there are so many problems in human food production (can you tell I have a cynical streak?).

Honest open discussions like these with the opportunity to generate action plans (as suggested voting with one's wallet) are very important in trying to move the needle on concerns like this.
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