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Old 11-29-2012, 02:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Most RMB posts here seem to be from standard owners and I have two toys. I am writing to seek advice specifically for the little poos.

One of my dogs has been eating the occasional RMB for over a year and the other is ready to begin. (He is new. ) I have been experimenting with different types, including marrow bones (discontinued based on experience below and reading posts here), oxtails (discontinued after finding she ate around the bone and then stopped), chicken backs (discontinued because they scare me with all the small sharp pieces), and cornish game hens (which has seemed the most successful heretofore as she devours them -- we serve them up in quarters). It is almost impossible to find chicken necks around here.

However, last week, just when I was attempting to start RMB feeding with my new dog (Daisuke, age 13 mos.), we had a terrible scare when dog no. 1 (Libby, age 1.5 yr) choked on a bone. She coughed, flopped over on her back, then got up and coughed up the head of a drumstick. All this took place in about 10 seconds. I grabbed her and tried the doggie Heimlich maneuver which I had seen posted here, but nothing more came up. She was out of sorts for half an hour or so, but walking around and not coughing, and then back to normal. Needless to say, the cornish game hens are banished from our house.

But I am left very confused. I just spoke to the breeder of my new boy as she (unlike Libby's breeder) had positively recommended raw feeding and RMBs. I learned that she has only recently discontinued all raw poultry feeding because of problems she has heard about. She is now recommending recreational beef bones, specifically leg bones with marrow. But I have seen a lot of posts here advising against weight-bearing and marrow bones (are those the same thing?). Also, Libby chipped a tooth a few months ago, possibly on a marrow bone.

Can anyone help? I am anxious to get the benefits of RMBs - one of my babies has dental problems and I want to keep the other one's teeth healthy - but how can I do it safely? I would be very grateful for specific recommendations from toy owners or breeders. If you can tell me where to find them, extra thanks to you!
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mine get half a chicken wing, or a small lamb or pork riblet. For recreational bones, I find lamb spines, hocks and shoulder bones are good - enough bone to keep them chewing, but not so hard that they risk tooth damage. I also give them PlaqueOff every day, and Tropiclean dental gel, and a going over with an e-cloth tooth cleaner!
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Thank you. What exactly is the e-cloth tooth cleaner? I am not coming up with it via Google. Also, do you use the seaweed PlaqueOff Plaque OFF for pets - Naturally prevents gum disease, plaque build-up and bad breath WITHOUT brushing or this one?Triple Pet Plaque Off - Fresh Breath for Pets I have been using the seaweed type for four or five months and it may work... but at the same time I also started brushing and feeding RMB so I am not sure where to attribute the improvement.

I am not sure where to find these particular bones (being a vegetarian, my b-dar is not too good) but I will send my hubby on (another) quest.
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I guess I've been lucky with my guys. I live not too horribly far from a packing house and can get raw beef bones very cheaply and *knock on wood* have had no issues with them so far. I am feeding them to everything from my biggest dog (50+ pounds) to my tiniest foster pups (5 weeks old kelpies). Something I found that goes over really well here is quail. They all love them! They are small and the bones seem to go down well. (Hoppy even steals them before I'm ready to feed them and the feathers don't seem to bother her at all! lol)
I love the quail for them, and I just scored 11 little ones, even though it's a strange time of year to find chicks, and am looking forward to raising some good birds and eggs from them for the dogs and hopefully us as well. They are fairly easy to raise and cute as can be should you be interested in trying that as an alternate food source.

Another treat/snack I found for the dogs (quite by accident) is the frozen rodents I get for the snake. I left a rat out to defrost and one of the dogs decided it was ready so he ate it. Turns out, all of them like those, too. I get those at Petsmart. They're still hairy, though. But, if wolves can eat mice, I don't see why poodles can't eat rats.
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I use the seaweed PlaqueOff - like you, it is hard for me to tell exactly which bit of the programme makes the difference, but it was noticeable when I first used it, so I am reluctant to stop! Together with the gel it seems to soften and loosen the gunk enough for me to flick it off with a thumb nail.

The microfibre tooth brush is here: Dog Teeth Cleaning, Microfibre Tooth Cleaner - Lintbells I decided it was just the same as an antibacterial e-cloth, so chopped one up and made a dozen!

Mine aren't keen on rodents, but they LOVE rabbit. Tilly-cat provides midnight feasts of toung rabbits through the spring and summer ... it took me ages to realise why they were all getting so fat!
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iLife in CT and would bevery surprised if you can't get chicken necks in Jersey. Stop and shop and shop rite carry them. I would ask maybe you are looking in the wrong section. Swizzle is a toy and for bone I find chicken necks are the perfect size and density. They sell packages with just those which I wrap individually and freeze. If the markets around you don't carry the necks go to a good quality pet store. Swizzle has great teeth. The vet comments every time sees him as toys often have issues. Other things that are great chews are dried chicken feet, cow trachea also dried and bullies. Don't give up on raw bones though, nothing like them for teeth.
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Thanks to everyone. Can anyone address the choking issue? Has it happened to your dog? What did she or he choke on? Did the episode lead you to change anything in the raw regime?

I am very appreciative of the suggestions but very leery of ANY bones after the Thanksgiving Eve scare.
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I think it is possible that your dog did not really choke but just coughed up a bone. I choked once. I was eating cantelope at a wedding and somehow inhaled it. I could not breathe or cough. I was surrounded by people who just stood there. I self administered the heimlich method using a chair. I don't think your dog was actually choking but swallowed a bigger bite than he could handle and he regurgitated it up without assistance from you. This is actually very common with dogs as they tend to gulp. I would feed the dogs separately as I believe they are much more likely to gulp their food down as they don't want the other dog to get their food. Here is a link on how to tell if a dog is choaking and what to do.
What to Do When Your Dog Is Choking - For Dummies
Here is a link a vet wrote about choking.

When a dog "chokes," check out its mouth : Visiting Veterinarian : The Martha's Vineyard Times

I can empathize with your anxiety. I brought my dog to the vet because I thought he was choking. He was not eating at the time but made a horrible noise. The vet told me is was a reverse sneeze. I was embarrassed for bring him on an emergency vet visit for a sneeze but I would rather err on the side of caution. I do not give rawhide and I am careful what size balls Swizzle plays with but I am not overly concerned with the raw bones Swizzle eats.
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I get my chicken necks at winn dixie.. in the poultry section with the chicken wings legs and backs.. Yellow styrafoam.. can remember bigwig brand but not free range. Not many packages at any time the most I saw was like 6 and the last time 3.

My minie will eat a wing like a stick of gum.. chew it, then regurgitates when she takes to much in and starts over till its gone. No issues really, not sure if she is being dainty and not want to get dirty, or she doesnt realized she can hold it down with her paws while she rips pieces lol. But she doesnt use her paws which explains the regurg and rechew action.
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Those are great links--thanks so much. I can't believe you administered the H maneuver to yourself (or that you had to!). Maybe you are right that my dog didn't really choke -- she didn't stop breathing and the whole incident was over in seconds.

I think she reverse-sneezes regularly. (She does something and I have been thinking it may be a reverse sneeze.) I did not realize that there could be environmental causes of that, so I am grateful for that info too.

OK, I am feeling reassured. I will intensify the search for chicken necks!
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