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Old 01-29-2012, 07:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It's an unfortunate (but pretty well known) truth that most veterinarians receive little nutritional training during their time as students. And even greater problem is that what little training they get is from representatives from Science Diet, Royal Canin, Purina, and Iams. So what do you think they will recommend? The only thing that they know anything about. Vets that care to educate themselves can find a wealth of information available to them through other sources. My vet is one such vet, and he highly recommends TOTW to any client who has a dog that gets ear infections, skin infections, is itchy, has stool or stomach issues.

I feel that you should do your own research and form your own opinions, rather than believing what you are spoon-fed by vets (who may or may not have a clue about nutrition) or what you are told on a forum of non-professionals (for the record, I have worked extensively in the veterinary field and have many colleagues who are currently in vet school or practicing veterinarians). So I'm going to provide you with some information and resources and I would strongly urge you to do some research and form your own opinions about what is best for your dog. Also for the record, Royal Canin is EXTREMELY overpriced for a not-so-high-quality food (low grade ingredients and cheap fillers).

This will be long. Bear with me.

Royal Canin was established in 1967. They are owned by Mars, a large food product manufacturer (one of their more popular products is a well known candy-bar brand). They manufacture lots of things other than pet food, and a lot of their "byproducts" from the products marketed at humans go into their pet food line. They were involved in the high-volume pet food recalls of 2007 due to melamine contaminated kibble. One of their biggest marketing ploys is advertising pet food that is "breed" specific (this causes me to shake my head every time I think about it). Royal Canin is based out of France. List of recalls since March 2007:
List of recalls for Pet Food Products from Royal Canin


Diamond Pet Foods (manufactures TOTW) was established in 1970 (what was that your vet said about long-running?). TOTW is a newer product line by a well established company (RC comes out with new product lines yearly; this is common). This company also produces Solid Gold, Canidae, and several other high quality dog foods. Compare to RC which uses corn in most of their products. Diamond Pet Foods is based out of Missouri, with plants in various states in the US. This company solely manufactures pet food. They were involved in a low-scale recall in 2005 due to aflatoxin contaminated kibble. Here is a list of recalls since March 2007: List of recalls for Pet Food Products from DIAMOND

May I add that TOTW is much higher quality for significantly less cash. Now, I chose to just compare these two particular companies here since they were the ones in questions. There is a WEALTH of information out there on both of these companies, as well as many many others. I will end by providing you with some extra reading to begin you on your quest to become more knowledgeable about pet food.

The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare? -- excellent site to explain all of these things I have talked about, how to read a label, ingredients to be cautious of, etc.
Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble -- great for comparing kibbles to each other.
Complete and Final.doc - 4shared.com - document sharing - download -- file to download. If you read nothing else, read this. It's long, but is very concise, well written, and easy to understand.

So do your research and YOU decide what's best for you dog. No one here can tell you that, and honestly your vet can't either. They just simply (and tragically) don't get enough training in this field by unbiased sources to be reliable. That is, unless they take initiative to go beyond what they are provided in vet school and educate themselves.

ETA: I am not familiar with NutriSource but at first glance it appears to be a decent food (much much better than RC). So if she will eat that, I say stick with it. Still won't hurt for you to read up on it though. That way you will know WHY it's better than RC.

ETA, again: Some varieties of Nutrisource contain menadione sodium bisulfate complex, a synthetic source of Vitamin K with many known (sometimes lethal) side effects. I would be wary and read labels very carefully.
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I decided to add something else but too late to edit Sorry!

I wanted to say that TOTW isn't the only high quality food on the market. Open yourself up to trying new things. For puppies, some of my favorites are:

Blue Buffalo Puppy
Wellness Just For Puppy
Orijen/Acana puppy

Other good brands (this is not a comprehensive list):
Solid Gold
Canidae
Back to Basics
Nature's Variety
Before Grain
Blue Buffalo Wilderness (grain free BB line)
Natural Balance (a little grain heavy but widely available)

There are lots of new foods on the market that I'm unfamiliar with. You just have to shop around. And know what to look for.
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you could try soaking your kibbles for 30 minutes with warm water before feeding, see if she likes it. Some pups like soft food. I know a maltese who won't even touch her bowl if it's not soaked

I've switched from First Choice Puppy Chicken (Ugh recommended by the shop) to First Choice Puppy Lamb, to Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Salmon (hard to find suppliers where i live) to now Acana Pacifica Grain free All life stage.

I use Fish For Dogs/Natural Balance/Evo treats, all fish stuff. And i noticed my boy's coat was shinier and nicer after i switched him to grain free itch less(Still itching but less), never had a loose stool after the switch unless it was after a vet visit for a jab or such.

Wanted to try TOTW Pacifica, but found it hard to get around where i live as well, so it'll be Acana all the way unless i want to swap with Orijen, im just worried he'll get itchy again from the chicken.
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Go onto:

The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare?

for a wealth of information on how to choose your own dog food. The whole site is informative but I look at the :

The Dog Food Project - Ingredients to avoid

and specific product groups section.

I personally will not feed TOTW foods.. it has been known that ethoxyquin in Diamond foods has been used in the past and some say currently. Before I knew they were owned by diamond I was trying to feed this to my girls.. I do long switches like maybe over a three week period and when they started eating it full time both dogs threw up and had diarrhea. My toy poodle had never thrown up from eating a food before or diarrhea. I stopped feeding it immeadiately and they were fine.. and it has nothing to do with how rich it is cause they had been on Evo and other grainfree just fine.

As for feeding the pup, I free fed my toy and it made her picky as well and constantly switched foods. It wasnt until I realized that she wouldnt starve herself and started putting my foot down.. ONLY kibble, 2x a day, and if she didnt eat then she would have to wait till next meal time. In 2 days she started eating her food..

I also feed Fromm Four star products which are meant to be rotated.. My dogs love this food and I trust the food/company. When 5 wk old puppies snub the proplan that their breeder wants to feed them, for their mother's tastier Fromms.. well that tells me something lol.
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