Sorry to hear of your potty training tribulations.. I've been fortunate with my dogs, and Casper was grown and trained when I got him, but I can relate as I have a peeing cat! Like your cute Lucy, the enjoyment of his crazy antics outweigh the pee (next to the cat box no less ) so I just clean, sanitize, sigh and go on. What else can you do when they are part of your heart?
I'm posting this a little late, but it's still in the right week!
Lucy is 36 weeks.
She went a whole 7 days with no known accidents. On the last day of this roll it started raining. I had her outside with me but my employee opened the door to talk to me and unknown to either of us she slipped inside and must have IMMEDIATELY pooped on the floor. :( She did it again in the evening and today at work she peed in the clinic twice. UGH!
I am working on teaching her to roll over. We're having a little trouble with it so far, but we'll see She's very good at down, sit, and spin. She's also very good at coming to a special emergency call I have invented (though unfortunatly we still don't have an ABSOLUTELY perfect recall). We very much enjoy playing "fetch" though I'm not quite sure how to fix that bit at the end where she puts the toy just out of reach?!
Lucy and Rachel are 3 classes in at a new obedience course. I know this course isn't what many members on here would go for (it uses correction and positive reinforcement), but I figured why not try all different types of training? I wish I had perhaps gone with captial punishment immediately with the potty training, maybe she'd have the idea by now that way?!? Oh well, lol!
I'm really hoping to get Lucy tidied into a more correct show puppy trim, (even though she's by no means a "show puppy") Can you tell I'm a fan of a HUGE shaved neck?!? Maybe I'll try to grow back a bit of it, but I sure love it when she has a clean bib! I'm sure happy with how well her topknot is holding up lately!
She still seems to be doing pretty well potty training wise. After that stretch of 7 days no accidents, she had one day with two poops in the house, and the next day she peed twice in the vet clinic I work at and once at her breeders house. After that we're working on another stretch and have made it four days so far! I'm trying my VERY hardest to be super vigilant. Maybe we'll get this together someday, I don't know, but I sure HOPE so!!! We love Lucy any way imperfections and all, just the way she loves US!
This week our lighting was out for puppy obedience class. So instead of just sitting to observe, I needed to go into an adjacent parking lot and aim my truck lights at the class. Well, I think we made a discovery! Lucy did a billion times better without ME being a huge distraction! Rachel was so thrilled and had such a better time! I'm sure that some of it is just that we are progressing through the class, but yeah, I guess I'll have to step away just a little more often.
After January rolls around, Rachel plans on joining the 4H Hound and Hare club. In this club they have two hours of training every Saturday. They work on obedience and will begin with Agility. Just so happens I work on Saturdays, so I'm betting Rachel and Lucy will make leaps and bounds without me there causing undue distraction Way to go girls!
As noted elsewhere on the forum, Lucy started her barking at shadows in the night again. On top of that she all of the sudden didn't listen to our "fool proof" recall call... VERY dangerous :( So I'm on the hunt for another training method to work with both of these issues.
I was aware of the recommedation to only allow her in the yard with a lead on so I could do a somewhat forced recall as well as divert her attention from barking, however was stuck due to not wanting to have a collar on her all the time. I certainly didn't want to fuss with finding a lead and collar every time I take her out (which can be as frequent as every 1/2 hr. to 45 minutes :( I KNOW my husband and daughter would also DEFINITELY not follow through even if I did buckle down and try... What to do? E-Collar? More "Cesar Milan" method?!?
Well the answer was right in front of me. I have a leash in my old leash collection I forgot about. It's a 3/8" 15' rabbit lead! At work when we need to take dogs out to pee we ALWAYS use a lead as a noose instead of using collars, so I thought - Why not keep that long lead hanging at the back door and just use it as a noose each time? I also have training treats by the back door at all times, so I am just taking treats out with her on the lead and trying to do frequent recalls with the lead and rewarding as much as possible. Am I doing the right things? I HAVE NO IDEA.... Guess we'll see!!
We added a band to the collection!
Resting with Dad...
Here's an old blast from the past I found in my breeders pictures files. I think Lucy was about 7 weeks in this photo, under Rachels left hand? The brown dog is a half brother about 3 years older than Lucy?
Here is Lucy with her breeders husband, her full brother, sister and mother!
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I've been meaning to respond to the issue you brought up in the "Pet Corrector" thread, but I knew I had to be at my "big computer," not my iPad, to do the typing! Hope you don't mind I put the reply here instead of in the other thread.
With so many things in dog training, it's not just, "How do I get my dog to stop running away from me and barking?" but more, "How do I create the kind of relationship with my dog that they don't *want* to run away from me and bark?" The older I get, the more I read, the more dogs I train, I keep on trying to get better at creating that type of relationship. The type of relationship where the dog freely makes a choice...and that choice happens to be what I want them to do. That requires being a little manipulative at times, but I am striving never to use pain or fear to achieve it. I'm sure with some dogs this is much easier than with others.
I know I keep recommending Crate Games, but have you gotten the DVD and done them? And incorporated them every day? Just putting the principles of Crate Games into play has made my dog Sugarfoot much more thoughtful about his actions in general. He can't go tearing about like a madman 24/7; he has to sit and display self control before eating, before barging out of his room or outside, before getting up again once he's been told to "Sit" or "Down" (I don't use the command "Stay"--control position commands contain this intrinsically).
It sounds like you've worked the recall...but have you worked your basic commands "in arousal" much? In other words, get the dog all revved up with play or food, and then give a control command like Sit or Down. If response isn't just as instant as it would be at calmer times, the dog isn't ready to be recalled in a stimulating environment. Then of course you can work the recall with the dog in increasing levels of stimulation.
There are all sorts of little games and such you can do to help build not just the recall itself, but the whole relationship behind it. Control access to "good things" that the dog wants, so that you are the source of all of them. The Ruff Love book has more about this idea.
I saw that you'd figured out what I was going to suggest for the nighttime trips outside: a slip lead. People here use them in Agility a lot, and we have several near the door and in strategic places around the house. Widen the loop, pop it over a dog's head, and they're captured in a second, no rooting for a collar. You could put one on Lucy, maybe attached to a light long line so that she can roam farther but still be "reeled in" if needed. Personally, I wouldn't give any leash corrections, checks, hisses, or jabs; I would just reel her in and the next day work on the recall issue.
It sounds like there might be some confidence issues going on that're making her bark. You might try working with confidence outside and rewarding for noticing but not barking at "scary" things. One of the activities I found helpful for building up Sugarfoot's confidence after his attack was the "Look at that dog" game from the book *Control Unleashed,* in which the dog is rewarded for looking at the "scary" thing. Soon he looks eagerly at the scary thing and then at you, anticipating his treat. The scary thing becomes a source of treats and loses its fear mongering power.
I'm posting this late, the pictures are from the right time, but I was hoping to get better ones to post towards the end of the week. It never happened :(
So, on Lucy's 38th week, I was desperate to do "SOMETHING" with her hair. Not desperate enough to pay though, and my groomer friend has just been so busy lately that he didn't have time to do it and I would have felt quite bad if I had tried to push for him to do it. So I did it... I took shears to my Lucy's coat! It was pretty fun for the most part, I did the full bathe, blowdry, nail trim, shaving feet and tail, but alas, trying to do the face turned into a complete and TOTAL nightmare :(.
I got "chunks" shaved out and made it look even worse than if I hadn't touched it at all. The shaggy look is driving me crazy and I'm DYING to get the bit of tearstaining she has on her face OFF! I only "guessed" at where to cut with the shears, but overall I was happy with the end result considering it was the very first time trying to scissor! I really want to work on it, and get practice of coarse, and I also need to start from step one with trying to shave her face I guess. Hopefully I'll be able to get her to her breeder ASAP for that desperately needed face shave. Hopefully Lucy will still let HER do it, even though she won't go as close as I like
On the whole, I'm very happy with how Lucy is settling in and becoming a very real and true part of our family. We all love her so much and are getting more frequent glimpses at what a good dog she can be, WILL be!
As you've likely figured out, I don't pick "best picture" too well, and since this thread is mostly a diary log for myself, I'm gonna put up a bunch!
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