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Old 02-16-2017, 06:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well it sounds like you have done plenty of reading and have gotten some good advice already so I won't repeat anything.
Well I will repeat one thing - Vet check for medical causes, because it really is not that common in Spoo's, much more so in Toys, so you really need to rule out things like entropion eye lashes or maybe a retained puppy tooth.

And I will add one "cure" that you missed - Eye Envy - it is a topical product, and it works miracles for some dogs (did for one of my toys), but you really need to try it to see - for some it is a miracle, for others it does zero. Be sure to get the original formula that requires refrigeration. The shelf stable formula is missing ingredients and did nothing for my girl, had to buy the original formula direct from the company at eyeenvy.com
I am so hesitant to put things in my eyes, or my Spoos. What are the ingredients exactly?
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I am so hesitant to put things in my eyes, or my Spoos. What are the ingredients exactly?

It doesn't go in the eyes, you just wipe underneath the eyes where the tear stains are. They don't reveal the ingredients, but my girl used it for 11-12 years, never an issue.
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It doesn't go in the eyes, you just wipe underneath the eyes where the tear stains are. They don't reveal the ingredients, but my girl used it for 11-12 years, never an issue.
My question was "What are the ingredients exactly?"
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My question was "What are the ingredients exactly?"

And my answer was They don't tell, so I can't tell you!
But it doesn't go inside the eyes, just on the hair around them so it didn't worry me much.
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I am so hesitant to put things in my eyes, or my Spoos. What are the ingredients exactly?
Kontiki, Eye Envy doesn't go into the eyes, but this is what I found out when I did a search concerning the ingredients...

"Eye Envy does not contain any bleach, peroxide, steroids or other harmful agents, and is topically applied. Ingredients: Water, Witch Hazel, Pharmaceutical Grade Cleanser and Natural Herbal Ingredient with antibiotic properties. Step 2: The application Powder is the second step in the tear stain removal process.

Another site said this:

"The application powder is strongly recommended to us as an enhancer. The powder actually helps repels tears to keep the area dry and to prevent the regrowth of tear stains causing bacteria. Highly recommended for all breeds, especially whites and light colored coats. Eye Envy does not contain bleach, cornstarch or steroids. The Eye Envy is NOT a cover up".

Now, I really don't understand all of that, but I found it when I typed in " what are the ingredients of Eye Envy?" Actually, if you did the search, you will find A LOT of great info concerning Eye Envy. And other tear stain products as well. :-)
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It looks as if Eye Envy solution is based on the standard eye wash recipe - Water, Witch Hazel, Borax (or Borax substitute) - plus a secret herbal ingredient, which could be anything. As some herbs are outright dangerous, especially when used on cats, it should be possible to eliminate those, of course. I tried a number of solutions - including preservative free contact lens solution, home made eyewash, salt water, etc - and they all worked reasonably well if used regularly and carefully dried. Then I tried plain water, and came to the conclusion they all worked because they meant I was wiping and drying the area regularly - water seemed to be just as effective!
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HI everyone,

I just wanted to update here. Since we started this conversation and you inspired me I have been feeding Puffy a "beef as the only meat" raw diet with a rotation of dog friendly veggies that I have concluded in the past don't seem to cause him issue. I also throw in a bit of oats sometimes.

I also wipe the face daily with a washcloth and some plain water. I never kept the fur face long, but these days I am keeping it particularly short.

The tear stains are WAY better. I am sure that the wiping helps a bit, but I can see that when I wipe there is very little to wipe away as compared to 2 weeks ago. They are no longer accumulating enough to leave much of a stain. The one eye has stopped tearing completely.

So obviously this is all working, and I appreciate the advice I have gotten here. I will be interested to see if the introduction of new meats in the future will cause the problem to come back, or if he will be able to eat a rotation of all meat and dg friendly veggies eventually, and it was just the kibble additives all along.

Thanks for all of the tips, things seem to being going in a positive direction even in this brief period of time.
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PuffDaddy that is great news......fingers crossed!

When you feel you are ready to introduce a different meat source then I would suggest chicken backs, wings or necks etc. Meaty bones are a very important part of a raw fed diet....... the dogs need the calcium/phosphorous and they also clean the teeth naturally. I'm suggesting the chicken because it is usually an easy and cheap source of meat to find.

Good luck and I hope PuffDaddy's eyes continue to improve.
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